Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[crazystnic]

I did not make it up.

AOL's lawyers did not make it up.

We both agree however with the company's lawyer, Siegel, who told Judge Silver this exact thing.

The TA is the controlling contract, is the status quo, the section regarding seniority integration, section 4 I believe is complete and rendered the Nic. Therefore the Nic is status quo at LCC.

The company, as you point out, has been operating under the terms of the TA for 8 years.

The Nic is not just a piece of paper. The Nic is the conclusion of section 4 of the TA. Just as one operating certificate is the conclusion of sect 2 of the TA. Just as furloughs and recalls are the result of section 5 etc..etc..


Three things the east really need to get a grasp on.....1. It's called binding arbitration for a reason. 2. The Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list at LCC...3. When a judge tells you you are on dangerous ground....that is a hint you ought to take.

you are such a blow hard it's funny... I guess that is how it is in your senior cockpit... you doing all talking and the FO just wishing and praying you would stfu

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I did not make it up.

AOL's lawyers did not make it up.

We both agree however with the company's lawyer, Siegel, who told Judge Silver this exact thing.

The TA is the controlling contract, is the status quo, the section regarding seniority integration, section 4 I believe is complete and rendered the Nic. Therefore the Nic is status quo at LCC.

The company, as you point out, has been operating under the terms of the TA for 8 years.

The Nic is not just a piece of paper. The Nic is the conclusion of section 4 of the TA. Just as one operating certificate is the conclusion of sect 2 of the TA. Just as furloughs and recalls are the result of section 5 etc..etc..


Three things the east really need to get a grasp on.....1. It's called binding arbitration for a reason. 2. The Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list at LCC...3. When a judge tells you you are on dangerous ground....that is a hint you ought to take.

From this week's Grievance Update:

"We anticipate the Company to issue the 2013 East Seniority list on March 1.
Grievance Committee"

If the Nic is it, why publish a separate East list? Currently, until there is a JCBA between East and West, there are two lists. There can be no JCBA without a vote for...here it comes..a New Contract. If we use your logic, a side letter would trigger that event. How about the recent (ongoing) re-ordering of the East list? That is a big change. But no JCBA.

Let me know when the company publishes a combined seniority list with “E’s” and “W’s” by each name. Not happening.

Greeter

 

[nic4us]

From this week's Grievance Update:

"We anticipate the Company to issue the 2013 East Seniority list on March 1.
Grievance Committee"

If the Nic is it, why publish a separate East list? Currently, until there is a JCBA between East and West, there are two lists. There can be no JCBA without a vote for...here it comes..a New Contract. If we use your logic, a side letter would trigger that event. How about the recent (ongoing) re-ordering of the East list? That is a big change. But no JCBA.

Let me know when the company publishes a combined seniority list with “E’s” and “W’s” by each name. Not happening.

Greeter

Okay, the date was back in 2007. Got a letter from Parker stating the company accepted the Nic in conclusion of section 4 of the TA.

Let me know when the company accepts usapa's DOH proposal that they turned down in 2008 at the bargaining table. Also, kindly inform me when the company gives the unions employment data that does not include ranking via the Nic award!

 

[nic4us]

you are such a blow hard it's funny... I guess that is how it is in your senior cockpit... you doing all talking and the FO just wishing and praying you would stfu

Now see, if you were as big a moron as Claxon you would have claimed I was a furloughed ex Mesa pilot.


I see progress on this board!

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Before trying to get a TRO, I would suggest the West Class file a T/A dispute against the Company, and call in Mr. Bloch.

If the requirements in LOA 96 for the implementation of the NIC list have indeed been satisfied, then the Company needs to immediately publish said list officially (on Company letterhead and/or on Wings) and declare it as the contractually mandated and ratified list combining all US Airways pilots.

Why even mess with USAPA initially, if the Company is going to comply?

Let me know how that all works out.

Greeter

 

[mrbreeze]

The Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list at LCC.

This claim of yours is weak, nic4us.

You know very well that after the Nic was accepted under the ALPA umbrella, USAPA was voted in. Next, USAPA presented a DOH list to Parker.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME, PARKER CALLED A TIME OUT IN THE PROCESS. He could see the legal ramifications and didn't want to get in over his head, so he stopped the process. Since then, we have been tied up in the courts.

Your claim that the Nic is the only accepted list is weak and not the whole story.

Dream on, Dorothy.
breeze

 

[Claxon]

Now see, if you were as big a moron as Claxon you would have claimed I was a furloughed ex Mesa pilot.


I see progress on this board!

Keep writing the checks out to Marty and Andy, you are only 10 years from the dismissal of your DFR Suit.

 

[Claxon]

You do realize who negotiated the MOU?

Okay, the date was back in 2007. Got a letter from Parker stating the company accepted the Nic in conclusion of section 4 of the TA.

Let me know when the company accepts usapa's DOH proposal that they turned down in 2008 at the bargaining table. Also, kindly inform me when the company gives the unions employment data that does not include ranking via the Nic award!

Your 2003 date of hire will be mentioned, do not worry about it.

 

[Claxon]

Do you think the older about to retire APA pilots are willing to sacrifice themselves for east pilots using DOH?

Afteral, there are more of them than there are of you.

Yes, with conditions and restrictions. Next question please.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Let me get this straight....

You are blaming others for "sidetracking the process"?

Go f yourself you POS scab supporting JO!

LOL, I bet you pissed your pants with that rant. You are a nut job.

 

[luvthe9]

My f-ing moron lawyer sure does piss off reneging scabs such as yourself!

Worth every penny!

See you in court scab.

The kid is coming unglued. The Nic thing just isn't going anywhere.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Now see, if you were as big a moron as Claxon you would have claimed I was a furloughed ex Mesa pilot.


I see progress on this board!

However, you are still a ####.

 

[Claxon]

However, you are still a ####.

Nic4 is a classic tool.

 

[Claxon]

AMR, US Airways, APA, USAPA meetings recap;;


Justice Department approval ground work, check.

Bankruptcy approval ground work, check.

AMR LCC Board ground work approval, check.

Bondholders and Creditors Committee approval groundwork, check.

Investor approval ground work, check.

Park and Horton approval, check.

Harper, Jacobs, greaseballs fergasun and Koontz, army of lyingitas and america west pilots approval and groundwork, oh ###!!!,
We forgot about that part. Unable merger.
http://leonidas.cact...0219LtJames.pdf

 

[luvthe9]

AMR, US Airways, APA, USAPA meetings recap;;


Justice Department approval ground work, check.

Bankruptcy approval ground work, check.

AMR LCC Board ground work approval, check.

Bondholders and Creditors Committee approval groundwork, check.

Investor approval ground work, check.

Park and Horton approval, check.

Harper, Jacobs, greaseballs fergasun and Koontz, army of lyingitas and america west pilots approval and groundwork, oh ###!!!,
We forgot about that part. Unable merger.
http://leonidas.cact...0219LtJames.pdf

Notice NOBODY expressed any concern about the Nic. Nobody, that is but the lawyers for Leonidas. There is still much gold to mine in the shorts of Leonidas.