Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

On what friggin' planet is the Nic in effect? If it is indeed in effect, why the plural on the list word? I don't see a single p number on the last EAST bid. Man, you are getting farther and farther out there.

On planet RLA...you know the laws governing transportation workers!

Also on planet NMB...you know the governing body that parked the fake union from contract negotiations.

Also on planet Federal Court system, that has repeatedly warned uscaba on abandoning a legitimately arbitrated combined system seniority list that is in EFFECT.


Now old planet usapia is about to get hit by a planet killer asteroid know as TRO!

 

[dca319]

Earlier I said that I rarely believed in conspiracy theories. Now I do. After reading this board since Feb 8th I am convinced that the company and USAPA conspired to deliver two different MOUs to east and west pilots to review and vote on! There is no way we are all reading the same thing.

If I remember correctly there was also a disagreement as to the meaning of 'expires".

 

[EastUS1]

Now old planet usapia is about to get hit by a planet killer asteroid know as TRO!

So....There's really no breaking news from the planet earth then?

 

[A320 Driver]

On planet RLA...you know the laws governing transportation workers!

Also on planet NMB...you know the governing body that parked the fake union from contract negotiations.

Also on planet Federal Court system, that has repeatedly warned uscaba on abandoning a legitimately arbitrated combined system seniority list that is in EFFECT.


Now old planet usapia is about to get hit by a planet killer asteroid know as TRO!

We're waiting, and waiting, and waiting.... Talk is cheap. None of you or your lawyers or the RLA or the Federal Court system has been able to put the NIC into effect. Probably never will, but we will see. If you REALLY had a case, Marty would have filed it by now instead of writing letters begging for someone, ANYONE, to put the NIC in effect.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

On planet RLA...you know the laws governing transportation workers!

Also on planet NMB...you know the governing body that parked the fake union from contract negotiations.

Also on planet Federal Court system, that has repeatedly warned uscaba on abandoning a legitimately arbitrated combined system seniority list that is in EFFECT.


Now old planet usapia is about to get hit by a planet killer asteroid know as TRO!

Restraining USAPA from doing "what?" Besides TROs being extremely difficult to obtain, you don't even make good arguments. In this situation, having already been to SCOTUS and back on ripeness, and to Silver and back as to what the union CAN do (with the always appropriate threat of DFR) what is the complaint in Federal Court that removes this from the RLA? Both the parties have renegotiated a methodology for determining how we all go together, and all members East and West ratified it. What will your complaint be? What do you intend to restrain?

Greeter

 

[PullUp]

LoA 93 expires. So much for that argument. Didn't you say that went poof as well way back when?

What is the fascination with LOA93?
Are you trying to make the argument that the change in unions does not change the agreements? That is usually true, but not in our case now. Our current agreements will stay in effect until the 'effective date'. As per the MOU, which becomes the MTA on the effective date, all previous agreements die. Dead. Not expiring, not amendable, not enforceable, not existent, nothing. Gone.
In our case, LOA93 and ALL the other contractual papers that define our working conditions and compensation are superceded by the MTA and AA contract. You become AA employees on that date.
What our current TA says after the effective date is moot, due to the fact that the TA will cease to exist.
Get it?

 

[Claxon]

I have my thoughts. But I am in a good mood today. Why don't you expound on your conspiracy theories of how or why the company, the courts and west is wrong while usapa has it all perfectly correct.


I could use a good chuckle. The fertile and demented mind of east pilots always fascinates me.

Do you have a full copy yet? usapa being transparent in their governance?

Seeing this board consumes your entire being, nothing is surprising about you.

 

[dca319]

We're waiting, and waiting, and waiting.... Talk is cheap. None of you or your lawyers or the RLA or the Federal Court system has been able to put the NIC into effect. Probably never will, but we will see. If you REALLY had a case, Marty would have filed it by now instead of writing letters begging for someone, ANYONE, to put the NIC in effect.

And what have we done? Delay at the expense of LoA93? Not really a win for us. And considering the Nic was upheld on merit shouldn't reassure you we've won.

 

[PullUp]

On planet RLA...you know the laws governing transportation workers!

Also on planet NMB...you know the governing body that parked the fake union from contract negotiations.

Also on planet Federal Court system, that has repeatedly warned uscaba on abandoning a legitimately arbitrated combined system seniority list that is in EFFECT.


Now old planet usapia is about to get hit by a planet killer asteroid know as TRO!

Better come back to planet Earth, because your arguments sound like they are only applicable on other planets.
Reality is different here on Earth.
Cheers.

 

[dca319]

Anyone want to post that letter from Jones?

 

[PullUp]

And what have we done? Delay at the expense of LoA93? Not really a win for us. And considering the Nic was upheld on merit shouldn't reassure you we've won.

Addington is irrelevant. Ruled that the trial should never have taken place, due to ripeness. Therefore, any findings are also irrelevant as they also should have never occurred.

 

[dca319]

Addington is irrelevant. Ruled that the trial should never have taken place, due to ripeness. Therefore, any findings are also irrelevant as they also should have never occurred.

I wouldn't say irrelevant. When ripeness does occur all that legwork will be submitted for the trial. As you know, it won on merit and lost on a technicality.

 

[Pi brat]

I wouldn't say irrelevant. When ripeness does occur all that legwork will be submitted for the trial. As you know, it won on merit and lost on a technicality.

Really? Were the merits fully heard at the appeal level or did they pretty much stop at "not ripe"?

 

[PullUp]

I wouldn't say irrelevant. When ripeness does occur all that legwork will be submitted for the trial. As you know, it won on merit and lost on a technicality.

Different timeframe now, different circumstances. Won't be the same trial - if it makes it past preliminary hearings.
Remember, it can only be ripe when there is physical harm. Best wait until the seniority list is finished and put into effect at the new American. Then you'll have to prove that getting paid better wages and working for a larger carrier hurts you in some way. (?) In addition, you voted in the affirmative to DO IT.
I think Marty is 'jumping the gun' on this one.

 

[Pi brat]

If I remember correctly there was also a disagreement as to the meaning of 'expires".

But the " expires" was not the word in the contract, was it?