Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

We'll know next year maybe. And when it's all said and done, however it's done, you guys can file your suits and by the time it finally gets anywhere, most of us will be retired anyway. You will probably get close to what the NIC would have provided you in the end. But by then, it just won't matter.

Next year? We will know within a couple of weeks.

The problem with your arrogance is you think people are going to play by your rules.

Not going to happen.....did you read the letters? Either a binding commitment to use the Nic will be established in the SLI protocols or the suit will be filed prior to August.

Further, your ignorance as well as your arrogance shows in your last sentence. We will not get close to what Nic provided in the end, we will get what Nic provided in the beginning if this merger comes to fruition.

 

[dca319]

I'm sure Marty is just doing his job trying to put the best face on this. Couple of questions. What about the 9ths ruling that said you could not call this ripe until real harm had come to the West pilots regarding the NIC? Has another seniority list other than the NIC been integrated? Marty can write all the letters he wants but he cannot change what the 9th stated regarding harm and ripeness. So you count all those chickens, OK? I talked to two AA crews today...both firm on DOH with fences. So you have Marty file that suit against USAPA. Only problem is, there won't be a USAPA to sue.

First off, I don't know what AA crews you found, but no one over there wants DoH. It puts our guys disproportionately high on the list. Ask anyone in the industry how quickly a fence can disappear and on,y an idiot who doesn't understand integration will answer the way those pilots you talked to allegedly answered.
As for suit, APA would become the target of a suit by AoL. Do you think they want to risk that? What, to them, is a safe harbor regarding SLI? Don't brush off these letters coming from AoL because I believe there's more to them. We're about to find out very soon.

 

[dca319]

We'll know next year maybe. And when it's all said and done, however it's done, you guys can file your suits and by the time it finally gets anywhere, most of us will be retired anyway. You will probably get close to what the NIC would have provided you in the end. But by then, it just won't matter.

Next year? No. Next month more like it.

 

[dca319]

Does Marty charge by the letter or is he running a 3 for 1 sale?

I'm sure it's a whole lot cheaper than the fluff Seham put out for us.

 

[dca319]

We'll know next year maybe. And when it's all said and done, however it's done, you guys can file your suits and by the time it finally gets anywhere, most of us will be retired anyway. You will probably get close to what the NIC would have provided you in the end. But by then, it just won't matter.

This is going to take as long as you think it is.

 

[Pi brat]

Next year? We will know within a couple of weeks.

The problem with your arrogance is you think people are going to play by your rules.

Not going to happen.....did you read the letters? Either a binding commitment to use the Nic will be established in the SLI protocols or the suit will be filed prior to August.

Further, your ignorance as well as your arrogance shows in your last sentence. We will not get close to what Nic provided in the end, we will get what Nic provided in the beginning if this merger comes to fruition.

A couple of weeks? Well, if you turn out to be right this time at least we will have closure. We'll see. How about damages? How much?

 

[Pi brat]

This is going to take as long as you think it is.

Did you mean isn't?

 

[Pi brat]

The legal battle is heating up.

usapa just fired a blank.

But they did disclose an interesting letter.

What's that?

How's that integrity test coming?

 

[Pi brat]

As for suit, APA would become the target of a suit by AoL. Do you think they want to risk that? What, to them, is a safe harbor regarding SLI? Don't brush off these letters coming from AoL because I believe there's more to them. We're about to find out very soon.

Nobody has given me a good answer of why the APA would be liable for our seniority list. If they interfere, could they be sued by USAPA? Maybe you guys are right, but I just don't get that part of it.

 

[nic4us]

A couple of weeks? Well, if you turn out to be right this time at least we will have closure. We'll see. How about damages? How much?

We won't have all the answers in a couple weeks, we should have replies to the letters though, and know where we are heading within a couple of weeks.

My point in my post to 320 was that he is spouting off about how we can sue a year or two from now after the SLI has occurred.

That is not the timeline. We are not suing after the fact, we are ensuring we do not have to sue in the first place.

 

[A320 Driver]

First off, I don't know what AA crews you found, but no one over there wants DoH. It puts our guys disproportionately high on the list. Ask anyone in the industry how quickly a fence can disappear and on,y an idiot who doesn't understand integration will answer the way those pilots you talked to allegedly answered.
As for suit, APA would become the target of a suit by AoL. Do you think they want to risk that? What, to them, is a safe harbor regarding SLI? Don't brush off these letters coming from AoL because I believe there's more to them. We're about to find out very soon.

I'm just telling you what they related to me. I did not approach them nor did I advocate DOH. But since Nic4 has put his prediction out there, lets just plan on this whole NIC coming to a close by March 6th. That's two weeks. I'll be interested in seeing what the smoking gun really looks like.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Marty's letters:


http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/AmMe...219LtJames.pdf

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/AmMe...19LtSiegel.pdf

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/AmMe...tSzymanski.pdf

Wow. Where do I begin? What a joke.

I'm in school right noe but I'll say this. Harpers letter to James is way off mark. That case is NLRA case. We are RLA and just like the first state court Addington, state court has no jurisdiction. Where else? Won't really waste my time. I'll let Harper do that.

However, Harpers timing is still screwed up....statute of limitations DO NOT TOLL until EFFECTIVE DATE!

What a "DUMB A$$"!

 

[cleardirect]

What's that?

How's that integrity test coming?

What test are you blabbering about?

 

[Pi brat]

What test are you blabbering about?

You should read more, write less. You might learn something.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

We won't have all the answers in a couple weeks, we should have replies to the letters though, and know where we are heading within a couple of weeks.

My point in my post to 320 was that he is spouting off about how we can sue a year or two from now after the SLI has occurred.

That is not the timeline. We are not suing after the fact, we are ensuring we do not have to sue in the first place.

So what you are saying is that your case is becoming desperate and if you did sue when a ripeness standard has been met the outcome would be in large question, so this is loud blather in hail marry attempt at trying to alter the course of things that don't look so good for your case. I'm paraphrasing but I am sure PI had the jest of it already.