Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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I figured you would not bring up DOB being a factor when getting an airline job being a 20 something.

There should not be a problem with that person being a Captain if offered an upgrade less than two years of employment with that company. Starting with a start-up has it advantages.

Why? I'm certainly not embarrassed by it and my age on my hire date does not change the current demographics of our pilot group. It seems to me that AA pilots career progression would be faster if they integrated with us using a DOH list for our group than it would if the Nicolau was used. If that is the single factor in the equation, then that seems to be what they would like to see. It doesn't mean that it matters or would affect our situation either way. If you have some data that shows otherwise I'll gladly look at it. This whole thing started with pre stating what the APA thought.

Did I say there was a problem with a 2 year upgrade? And you don't have to join a start up for that necessarily. One of Piedmont's periods of quick upgrades was after they have been around for over 3 decades. But joining a start-up often has it's disadvantages too. There was a guy hired in the class behind me at Piedmont that left AWA because, in his eyes, the disadvantages outweighed the advantages.
 
I believe this is the letter you are asking about.

http://leonidas.cact..._and_Siegel.pdf

It puts them on notice. Should be interesting to hear their reply.

It would also be interesting if USAPA sends a letter of their own, clearly stating their position. If they are so supremely confident in their DOH quest, and that the NIC is null and void, wouldn't it behoove them to rebut and submit their intentions in writing and for the record? If not, I think their silence would be VERY telling to the strength (weakness) of their convictions.

I'm sure the eastholes here will be quick to post USAPA's letter to the attorneys if one ever materializes, right?


The letter the AOL lawyer wrote to Team Tempe and the APA on 2/18/13 is both a not too thinly veiled threat ( a RO, to somehow put the brakes on this merger) and an attempt to sabotage the upcoming "negotiation" phase of the SLI process, with a dose of "FUD".

I would expect the AOL lawyer to pen this type of "correspondence", after all that's how he keeps his "money meter" running, a task that he no doubt sees as becoming more and more difficult and unlikely.

Just as well the letter was not apparently "officially" sent to USAPA, all the better to just ignore it for what it is, meaningless! AOL can wish, hope (Ah yes, there's always that Hail Marry play) and threaten all it want's, they have no legal standing in the SLI process going forward, none!


seajay
 
The letter the AOL lawyer wrote to Team Tempe and the APA on 2/18/13 is both a not too thinly veiled threat ( a RO, to somehow put the brakes on this merger) and an attempt to sabotage the upcoming "negotiation" phase of the SLI process, with a dose of "FUD".

I would expect the AOL lawyer to pen this type of "correspondence", after all that's how he keeps his "money meter" running, a task that he no doubt sees as becoming more and more difficult and unlikely.

Just as well the letter was not apparently "officially" sent to USAPA, all the better to just ignore it for what it is, meaningless! AOL can wish, hope (Ah yes, there's always that Hail Marry play) and threaten all it want's, they have no legal standing in the SLI process going forward, none!


seajay

That is now called a Hail Marty! ;-)
 
The letter the AOL lawyer wrote to Team Tempe and the APA on 2/18/13 is both a not too thinly veiled threat ( a RO, to somehow put the brakes on this merger) and an attempt to sabotage the upcoming "negotiation" phase of the SLI process, with a dose of "FUD".

I would expect the AOL lawyer to pen this type of "correspondence", after all that's how he keeps his "money meter" running, a task that he no doubt sees as becoming more and more difficult and unlikely.

Just as well the letter was not apparently "officially" sent to USAPA, all the better to just
ignore it for what it is, meaningless! AOL can wish, hope (Ah yes, there's always that Hail Marry play) and threaten all it want's, they have no legal standing in the SLI process going forward, none!

seajay

No need to send the letter to uscaba. A letter was sent to Syzmanski after Silver ruled. His response will suffice for exhibit A.

I read the letter to mean a TRO on the SLI, not to put any brakes on the merger.

BTW, take another look at MB. The Nic will be involved with any SLI if LCC pilots are involved.
 
The biggest mistake the west made was voting for the MOU. With a loud, "No," they would still have a good argument even if it had passed.

I must have missed the part in the mou where the arbitrated list was replaced with your doh fantasy. Boy did you guys outsmart me. Oh well.
Bean
 
Hi Bob,

It's great to hear that you are enjoying your retirement, as is intended! We miss you, too, as much as you miss us!

Many Blessings!
NYCBD
1252 days...but who's counting?

Treat each of those 1252 days like they will be your last and enjoy the company of those you work with! Thanks for the good wishes also.

All the best,

Bob
 
Beautiful!
I'm sure Marty is just doing his job trying to put the best face on this. Couple of questions. What about the 9ths ruling that said you could not call this ripe until real harm had come to the West pilots regarding the NIC? Has another seniority list other than the NIC been integrated? Marty can write all the letters he wants but he cannot change what the 9th stated regarding harm and ripeness. So you count all those chickens, OK? I talked to two AA crews today...both firm on DOH with fences. So you have Marty file that suit against USAPA. Only problem is, there won't be a USAPA to sue.
 
I'm sure Marty is just doing his job trying to put the best face on this. Couple of questions. What about the 9ths ruling that said you could not call this ripe until real harm had come to the West pilots regarding the NIC? Has another seniority list other than the NIC been integrated? Marty can write all the letters he wants but he cannot change what the 9th stated regarding harm and ripeness. So you count all those chickens, OK? I talked to two AA crews today...both firm on DOH with fences. So you have Marty file that suit against USAPA. Only problem is, there won't be a USAPA to sue.

You got one thing right...."there won't be a usapa to sue".

What you fail to comprehend is there will be no reason for anyone to sue.

If the APA is firm on DOH with fences, that is fine, they will just have to convince either the two pilot groups or an arbitration panel of how to integrate their list with the Nic by DOH.
 
You got one thing right...."there won't be a usapa to sue".

What you fail to comprehend is there will be no reason for anyone to sue.

If the APA is firm on DOH with fences, that is fine, they will just have to convince either the two pilot groups or an arbitration panel of how to integrate their list with the Nic by DOH.
We'll know next year maybe. And when it's all said and done, however it's done, you guys can file your suits and by the time it finally gets anywhere, most of us will be retired anyway. You will probably get close to what the NIC would have provided you in the end. But by then, it just won't matter.
 
But by then, it just won't matter.

Maybe not effectively, career wise, but that's never truly been the point of why I've contributed to the west legal effort. I've always understood the career set backs many in the east have suffered. And I'm young enough, I'd recover from anything, provided the airline continued as a reasonably succesful, going enterprise. The way the east went about it is what bothered me, so even if prevailing in the end means little to me materially, I'll be satisfied.
 
The legal battle is heating up.

usapa just fired a blank.

But they did disclose an interesting letter.
 
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