Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[prechilill]

You are the one putting things together wrong in your brain. I didn't have thousand of hours PIC time, I did have thousand of hours TT, my F/E written completed and my ATP check ride completed, just not old enough to have the certificate issued. Not many knew you could take the check ride and be issued a letter. I was a F/E, so that tells you how old I had to be. I met all of Piedmont's requirements, through hard work, an excellent family reputation and yes, some luck. Based on your posts, I can assure you that luck played a major role in you landing a flying job at all.

You can see what I got, what you can't know is what it cost.

Why the fascination with me? It's beginning to get a little creepy.

Ok Mr. Fish, let me get this straight- you are now against DOH and also against slotting SLI? Well, Einstein, what other options are there? And in a few posts above you lament your 27 years of service and how unfair it would've to have a person "cut" in front of you with fewer years AT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT AIRLINE.
And does Colonel-General Smiley Face know of your blasphemous anti-DOH stance?
Seriously, think before you post, you flip- flop more than a trout. At least the Colonel-General is consistent.

 

[EastUS1]

Cryhole hates it when I use big words.

That discomfort is understandable. Very few, even supposed adults could conversationally accept such "big words" as "Cryhole".

 

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That discomfort is understandable. Very few even supposed adults could conversationally accept such "big words" as "Cryhole".

Did you go through all your emoticons? Nice job, East. You put together a thought without using a single.......

 

[EastUS1]

.....27 years of service and how unfair it would've to have a person "cut" in front of you with fewer years.....

Should you someday make it to the "27 years of service" mark; your opinion would be of some value there. Otherwise; your postings consistently serve only to define the term entitlement.

 

[EastUS1]

You put together a thought without using a single.......

Do let us all know when/if you first have, much less ever "put together" any actual "thought" at all. Exemplary issuances of such as "Cryhole" leave the matter in doubt.

 

[Pi brat]

Ok Mr. Fish, let me get this straight- you are now against DOH and also against slotting SLI? Well, Einstein, what other options are there? And in a few posts above you lament your 27 years of service and how unfair it would've to have a person "cut" in front of you with fewer years AT A TOTALLY DIFFERENT AIRLINE.
And does Colonel-General Smiley Face know of your blasphemous anti-DOH stance?
Seriously, think before you post, you flip- flop more than a trout. At least the Colonel-General is consistent.

Mr. Fish? Okay, not sure about that one.

That's the problem with you pre. You are one of the westies with a very narrow view on these things. You think that if anyone doesn't see things exactly as you, they are zealots.

There are other options, but I'm not against anything. I think the process should look at where someone is on the list, and their probable progression with their current list and fleet and try to come up with a list that helps the most meet those targets. It could be DOH with conditions and restrictions, but with the disparity in our pilots groups I always thought that would be very difficult to do. When things are static it's easy, but airlines don't stay static for long. Slotting is the probable method with APA, but that can take many forms.

I don't have a problem with slotting, I just think Nicolau got it wrong. The way he slotted favored the senior east captains and junior west F/Os, them more so than the senior east captains. Be honest, have you ever actually looked at the shift of relative position from east to west on the Nic. I have, it's staggering and I've shown you where the arbitrator in the PA/NA SLI said he couldn't do it Nic's way because of that.

I have a problem with the Nicolau, not the west pilot group. I have friends over there, and just a few months ago was sharing drinks on a PHX layover with two of them and met a third really good guy. But if you turn it personal, I can give it back to you.

This is not a totally different airline. It's a blended airline. Both sides brought things to it, but I'm guessing that with the Nicolau you get much more than you brought. I don't know for sure, because you like to make assumptions about me, but I don't ever think you have shared your DOH or bid position. I think the Nicolau provided windfalls for certain parts of the seniority lists, but not all.

In our merger I actually liked the sound of a list the east committee up with. It was a slotted list, just slotted differently than the Nic. From what I was told, the ALPA lawyers were amazed at what it did. But, it placed some furloughed pilots ahead of Odell, the west's line in the sand, so it died on the vine.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh and pre, a couple last things, I have to run.

First of all, I'm waiting for the "Zealot" evidence. It should be easy to find.

And all kidding aside, are you okay? You seem much angrier. You should be pretty happy with work. If the merger goes through you got a raise and a path to finishing the SLI fight, and you are very confident that you will prevail. You have mentioned that you want to move and in a couple of years you will have the whole country to look at. What's the matter?

 

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Here you go, East. A few emoticons to enhance your vocabulary.View attachment 9695

 

[Pi brat]

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It's just more drivel from the cryhole. He sits in his cubicle at the Reichsministerium für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda..

Cryhole hates it when I use big words.

Are you and pre together at the AFO Club, PHX chapter meeting?

 

[snapthis]

Are you and pre together at the AFO Club, PHX chapter meeting?

I don't belong to the AFO club. That's an exclusive club located on Woodlawn which will be for lease very soon. I only associate with real union pilots.

 

[EastUS1]

Here you go, East. A few emoticons to enhance your vocabulary.

Your concerned kindness is much appreciated, but you've already proved your worth as an enhancer of useful vocabulary via "Cryhole", and needn't make any additional contributions.

 

[AAviator]

Can anyone explain the generalized "accepted" definition of "slotting" as being bantered about by LCC pilots?

 

[cleardirect]

In our merger I actually liked the sound of a list the east committee up with. It was a slotted list, just slotted differently than the Nic. From what I was told, the ALPA lawyers were amazed at what it did. But, it placed some furloughed pilots ahead of Odell, the west's line in the sand, so it died on the vine.

This statement needs to be clear-ified.

Lets see just how zealous you are.

You say you liked the sound of some list the east had. So you have seen it and can answer some questions.

Was the mythical list before or after the Nicolau was released?

What "ALPA" lawyers are you talking about? I don't believe Dan Katts is an ALPA lawyer.

What slotting method did it use? LOS?

How were the "ALPA" lawyers amazed. Freund was amazed at the DOH list the east presented. That is not to say he agreed or thought it was in any way fair or workable.

Lastly define "some" furloughed going ahead of active west pilots. Exactly how many furlough pilots do you think was reasonable to go ahead of west active pilots? Give me a number.

The east had 1700 furloughed pilots. If half 800 furloughed pilot were placed ahead of west active pilots that means that 50% of the west pilots would have had a furloughed east pilot senior to them. Is that reasonable and fair or zealous? Would 50 furloughed east pilots made everything ok for you?

The west had a line in the sand. So what the east had your line in the sand. An arbitrator decided. He just decided that your line was erasable, furloughed pilots senior to active pilots was not.

So tell us what you thought was reasonable that you saw the east present.

Before or after the ruling?

 

[AAviator]

Can anyone explain the generalized "accepted" definition of "slotting" as being bantered about by LCC pilots?

just bringing this up to this page...

 

[Beancounter]

Can anyone explain the generalized "accepted" definition of "slotting" as being bantered about by LCC pilots?

Well if you're refering to the elusive east list, it's where the west pilots are, "slotted," under the east pilots The only list I've ever seen from the east is DOH. Maybe someone from the east side of US can explain.

Bean