Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

I can assure you 700 and I have butted heads in the past. He's called it correctly on what happened in the courtroom. Everyone made it off the airplane that day, alive. It's the fact he let his status be used by USAPA that day. He made a point in saying he had no dog in the fight. That tells me he was going to take opportunities outside of this airline.

I have no doubt that USAPA used Sully. His opinion was not worth any more than mine, but he was called because he was famous. I don't know if I would have testified if I were in his shoes, but I cannot say because I have never lived in the whirlwind he was living with at the time. I've not had the world throw itself at me.

But here is one thing I can tell you for certain because I was there. He spoke the same feelings to the ALPA dog and pony show when they came to CLT. I was flying with him and we went up to the meeting during a layover. You say that because he had no dog in the fight it pointed to taking opportunities outside the airline. What it told me was the even though it didn't affect him negatively, he felt strongly enough about the award to take the time and speak out against it. As a matter of fact, the Nicolau had to the potential to help him as he was in the 517 and would be very senior in PHX and would have a much better commute.

Whatever people feel about his testimony, it takes nothing away from what he and his crew did that day in the airplane. That's what frustrates me about some west guys. They have thrown out slurs like "He landed an airplane with engines running in the water!" and "He never went to TOGA, he could have recovered the engines!" Those comments are not based on the facts as determined by the NTSB, they come from the anger over the Nicolau award and they are from people that cannot separate the Nic from everything else in their lives. You can dislike what a person does at times without disliking the person. I've yet to find anyone in this world that didn't do something that I disagreed with at some point. I don't throw everything else about them away.

 

[Pi brat]

And did he not take a safety management job, leave US, write a book and made many paid television appearances?

So what? If you were in the position to do that, would you? I don't know if I would, but I don't think I could have pulled it off, especially TV because he has the "captain look" and is very eloquent. I think a lot of people are just jealous of his fame and the opportunities it brought.

 

[Pi brat]

Yeah. So, in your estimation; he proved himself a real slmeball by doing so...?

Yeah, really. What a slime ball. Or is St. Jude's, a charitable hospital for children, the slime ball organization for taking advantage of his fame to raise money?

Some people just amaze me..........

 

[snapthis]

Sully didn't do anything else because it wasn't necessary. Besides, he's retired. You can say what you wish, Jeff and Sully still saved many lives.

What have you done lately?

Like I said, nice job in January 2009, not so much May 1, 2009.

I got off a trip Friday, senior enough to have Easter weekend off and the first part of next week. That's the latest.

 

[snapthis]

I have no doubt that USAPA used Sully. His opinion was not worth any more than mine, but he was called because he was famous. I don't know if I would have testified if I were in his shoes, but I cannot say because I have never lived in the whirlwind he was living with at the time. I've not had the world throw itself at me.

But here is one thing I can tell you for certain because I was there. He spoke the same feelings to the ALPA dog and pony show when they came to CLT. I was flying with him and we went up to the meeting during a layover. You say that because he had no dog in the fight it pointed to taking opportunities outside the airline. What it told me was the even though it didn't affect him negatively, he felt strongly enough about the award to take the time and speak out against it. As a matter of fact, the Nicolau had to the potential to help him as he was in the 517 and would be very senior in PHX and would have a much better commute.

Whatever people feel about his testimony, it takes nothing away from what he and his crew did that day in the airplane. That's what frustrates me about some west guys. They have thrown out slurs like "He landed an airplane with engines running in the water!" and "He never went to TOGA, he could have recovered the engines!" Those comments are not based on the facts as determined by the NTSB, they come from the anger over the Nicolau award and they are from people that cannot separate the Nic from everything else in their lives. You can dislike what a person does at times without disliking the person. I've yet to find anyone in this world that didn't do something that I disagreed with at some point. I don't throw everything else about them away.

There are folks out here who would like to throw Sully a TOGA party. I'm going to take a pass. I'm not going to second guess the Hudson River landing. That horse has been beat to death.

I'm a moderate on this subject. I guarantee that are people with much harder feelings with his testimony. It just put another wedge between the groups along with the Cactus 18, Cactus 3 on and on.

You'll probably notice I have taken less of a hard line. I'm ready to move on and into this merger.

Have a good weekend.

 

[EastUS1]

There are folks out here who would like to throw Sully a TOGA party.

Have a good weekend.

1) The FAA/NTSB notably not among them. So then...there truly weren't ANY intelligence tests required for employment at AWA? Much is made clear now.

2) To you and yours as well.

 

[Pi brat]

There are folks out here who would like to throw Sully a TOGA party. I'm going to take a pass. I'm not going to second guess the Hudson River landing. That horse has been beat to death.

I'm a moderate on this subject. I guarantee that are people with much harder feelings with his testimony. It just put another wedge between the groups along with the Cactus 18, Cactus 3 on and on.

You'll probably notice I have taken less of a hard line. I'm ready to move on and into this merger.

Have a good weekend.

We disagree on some things, but I do find you more moderate than most of your west buddies on here.

To me, the NTSB is the authority on this things, and they say the engines were unrecoverable. I'd bet most of those ready to crucify Sully have never read the report.

A good weekend to you too.

 

[Black Swan]

I left because of the pension termination and I have a son at home who I have joint custody of and I wasnt going to transfer to keep my job.

Section 1113 C laws screwed us.

I saved many jobs in my career and won some serious arbitration cases, and even received a nastygram from Steven Wolf himself, for my union work that showed his career and how he was a robber baron in the airline industry,

Sully had his pension terminated also. Not his fault the media dictates who or whom they choose to elevate to star status. Sully has been very gracious about including everyone.
Are you going to say you would not take the offer he did?
USAPA was free to call any witness they wanted. Their prerogative . Free society and free will.

 

[Black Swan]

Go call Jetstream, or hop in the truck and do it yourself.

By the way, my last years at US I was a stock clerk, you know the people that ensure your parts for your plane got to where they were going. Were properly inspected, had the proper documentation and many other things.



And I will put my labor representation skills up against any of you pilots, especially your pos union.

How is it working on wages that were back from 2004?

Working. How is it on the street?

 

[Black Swan]

There are folks out here who would like to throw Sully a TOGA party. I'm going to take a pass. I'm not going to second guess the Hudson River landing. That horse has been beat to death.

I'm a moderate on this subject. I guarantee that are people with much harder feelings with his testimony. It just put another wedge between the groups along with the Cactus 18, Cactus 3 on and on.

You'll probably notice I have taken less of a hard line. I'm ready to move on and into this merger.

Have a good weekend.

The TOGA bugaboo the West guys try to use to discredit him. Like stomping on the gas of an engine that has thrown a couple pistons and rods. Those engines were in CLB and couldn't produce. Why would TOGA be so magical?

 

[Metroyet]

Sully had his pension terminated also. Not his fault the media dictates who or whom they choose to elevate to star status. Sully has been very gracious about including everyone.
Are you going to say you would not take the offer he did?
USAPA was free to call any witness they wanted. Their prerogative . Free society and free will.

Why Sullenberger and Skiles then? They could have called any of the other 5000 East Pilots that had NOTHING to do with the formation of USAPA.

What was USAPA attempting to do?

 

[Black Swan]

Why Sullenberger and Skiles then? They could have called any of the other 5000 East Pilots that had NOTHING to do with the formation of USAPA.

What was USAPA attempting to do?

Think about it. Why do organizations seeking funds use movie stars and celebs? It is called using your best assets. Those two were just involved in a spectacular success. Why not use your two most visible assets. Why did St. Jude not call you instead of Sullenberger ? Same thing.

 

[jetjok1]

Actually you do need training and skill levels for stores, there is hazmat training and my name went on the paperwork and if something happened I was responsible.

We had two stock clerks get in trouble with the FAA and disciplined for improper paperwork which led to O2 generators being shipped on a flight.

And we also had the responsibility to ensure the 8130 paperwork was done correctly when the parts came back from a vendor before it went to the receiving inspector.

And the ramp has specialized training also, planes have crashed due to improper loading, and then also there was the Valujet crash because of human errors made by stores and ramp at a vendor.

Damn, your an unsung hero! Just like Sully..........problem is .........the lives he saved is fact. Yours is fictional ....at best.

And you and Snap sit here and act like you wouldn't have taken the notoriety and fame and cashed in on them. BS.......everyone here would have........and rightfully so. You guys are pompous ass....s!!

 

[jetjok1]

Like I said, nice job in January 2009, not so much May 1, 2009.

I got off a trip Friday, senior enough to have Easter weekend off and the first part of next week. That's the latest.

Well good for you. I've had it off for years? Problem is..........you and your cohorts are trying to take that away from me........among everything else including Denial of the jumpseat.

 

[luvthe9]

Why Sullenberger and Skiles then? They could have called any of the other 5000 East Pilots that had NOTHING to do with the formation of USAPA.

What was USAPA attempting to do?

You really are stupid Kevin.