Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[flybynite]

Here we go....as I said...west pilots threatening ....problem is...that goes both ways...

And that's the thing..I will not run into this issue because I am an East F/A. Ever...This is being thrown at my brothers and sisters on the west. Not me.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Yeah and the SCOTUS didn't seem to care. Imagine that. The SCOTUS didn't have any problem with the injunction being vacated and USAPA and the company continuing free to bargain. And now 98% voted in favor of a new contingent seniority integration agreement and the only difference now is that there is another contingency before we get to the point of ripeness.

They hear less than 1% of all petitions. Their silence on the matter means little to nothing to any other circuits where another prayer for relief may have been filed. The fact that the Company was compelled to file a Declaratory Judgment case supports Bybee's opinion that all parties would have benefited from judicial relief being granted on the merits of the West Pilot claims.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/faq.aspx

How many cases are appealed to the Court each year and how many cases does the Court hear?
The Court receives approximately 10,000 petitions for a writ of certiorari each year. The Court grants and hears oral argument in about 75-80 cases.

 

[Phoenix]

They hear less than 1% of all petitions. Their silence on the matter means little to nothing to any other circuits where another prayer for relief may have been filed. The fact that the Company was compelled to file a Declaratory Judgment case supports Bybee's opinion that all parties would have benefited from judicial relief being granted on the merits of the West Pilot claims.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/faq.aspx

How many cases are appealed to the Court each year and how many cases does the Court hear?
The Court receives approximately 10,000 petitions for a writ of certiorari each year. The Court grants and hears oral argument in about 75-80 cases.

OK, the SCOTUS was busy. And...? Is it ripe?

Since you brought up the DJ, maybe you can refresh us who Silver found for, and who she bound... and you could let us know if she read Bybee's dissent too...

 

[cleardirect]

Why yes I am...was there a question about it? I wouldn''t be raising hell if I were not. Moron.

Please feel free to contact your union. They have a pro stands committee.

BTW there is an east pilot that thinks he needs to protect the poor little flight attendants Thought you might be him.

But taking away something the west had for 25 years you might get some push back. It was the east flight attendants that took the jump seat not the west.

 

[cleardirect]

OK, the SCOTUS was busy. And...? Is it ripe?

Since you brought up the DJ, maybe you can refresh us who Silver found for, and who she bound... and you could let us know if she read Bybee's dissent too...

Keep leaning on ripeness. You can only hide behind it for so long. You do know that no matter what you say or do it will become ripe (now).

The company wants the case ruled on the merits. The west wants the case decided. The ninth did not touch the merits.

This case will eventually be decided by a court. Do you think that the facts or what usapa did are going to change? The only thing ripeness does is delay. But every day that rubber band gets tighter. Eventually it is going to snap back.

The Nicolau is going to be used and those stolen years are going to be repaid. If you just scammed your way into the left seat enjoy reserve and working weekends. If you are still in the right seat get used to it. There are 800 west F/O's that are going to upgrade and take those WB seats.

Not ripe only lasts so long. Eventually the bill comes due and you east pilots owe a lot.

 

[flybynite]

Please feel free to contact your union. They have a pro stands committee.

BTW there is an east pilot that thinks he needs to protect the poor little flight attendants Thought you might be him.

But taking away something the west had for 25 years you might get some push back. It was the east flight attendants that took the jump seat not the west.

So sorry...so sad for you. It's in our contract and has been for many years....for good reason.. Get used to it...

 

[Pi brat]

The Nicolau is going to be used and those stolen years are going to be repaid.

There's that stolen again. Maybe you should reacquaint yourself with that TA that you think just got you the Nic. The separate ops provisions to be exact.

Lay out your plan for getting "repaid."

 

[cleardirect]

There's that stolen again. Maybe you should reacquaint yourself with that TA that you think just got you the Nic. The separate ops provisions to be exact.

Lay out your plan for getting "repaid."

I did. If you can't understand it that is your problem.

 

[Pi brat]

I did. If you can't understand it that is your problem.

Was it this?

"If you just scammed your way into the left seat enjoy reserve and working weekends. If you are still in the right seat get used to it. There are 800 west F/O's that are going to upgrade and take those WB seats."

If so, how does cashing in your windfall now get you "repaid"? It just gets you paid moving forward. Was there something else?

Glad to see you confess what the Nicolau award really did though.

 

[Claxon]

Yes it does. And I would like it if you guys would get off trying to be the "big man" ...what ever bullshit....and leave the f/a's alone.

Welcome to reality of interfacing with the western pilot group. The jump seat is just one of their tantrum devices. Airline pilots across the industry avoid jumpseating with them, as you have to listen to their concocted tragedy stories. That is if they even let you on. They cast a jaundiced eye towards humanity in general.
Cleardirect is the average western pilot with regard to attitude. They are the misfits of aviation.

 

[Claxon]

I did. If you can't understand it that is your problem.

Flybynite- expect this from them as they face forward with a scowl.......

 

[Claxon]

Please feel free to contact your union. They have a pro stands committee.

BTW there is an east pilot that thinks he needs to protect the poor little flight attendants Thought you might be him.

But taking away something the west had for 25 years you might get some push back. It was the east flight attendants that took the jump seat not the west.

And this. As they stare ahead afraid of eye contact.

 

[N924PS]

Welcome to reality of interfacing with the western pilot group. The jump seat is just one of their tantrum devices. Airline pilots across the industry avoid jumpseating with them, as you have to listen to their concocted tragedy stories. That is if they even let you on. They cast a jaundiced eye towards humanity in general.
Cleardirect is the average western pilot with regard to attitude. They are the misfits of aviation.

As with all your posts, wrong again.

Another sophomoric post from the biggest misfit on these boards.

Check the color of your eyes the next time you look in the mirror. Jaundiced to be sure....

 

[traderjake]

So sorry...so sad for you. It's in our contract and has been for many years....for good reason.. Get used to it...

What's the good reason for not having pilots on the F/A jumpseat (assuming no F/A wants it)?

Last time I flew on Jetblue I sat on the F/A jumpseat.

 

[fifidriver]

Why yes I am...was there a question about it? I wouldn''t be raising hell if I were not. Moron.

Holy Guacamole!!! There must be something in the water over there... I am not entirely sure what the true source of your bitterness is, but I sincerely hope that you can come to terms with that issue and find some peace.