Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Clear, you keep asking why we delay.
the answer is because you guys didn't want to work out a deal at Wye and now we will use any an all means to protect ourselves from the draconian results of the NIC>

that will include, delay, separate ops, bleeing you dry of money, the courts and any other means possible to ignore the NIC.
have a good day.

Is that the purpose of a a union?

To delay, separate ops and bleed the pilots represented by the union out of money? Is that the purpose of a union to ignore arbitration results and keep the members on low wages and benefits?

Who does that benefit? East pilots. So much for fair representation.

 

[Phoenix]

Is that the purpose of a a union?

To delay, separate ops and bleed the pilots represented by the union out of money? Is that the purpose of a union to ignore arbitration results and keep the members on low wages and benefits?

Who does that benefit? East pilots. So much for fair representation.

The purpose of the union is to protect all its members. When a union doesn't do that and even strays into abusing a majority of its members to benefit a minority then it gets replaced.

 

[mrbreeze]

Man Marty is beating usapa like a red headed step child. Another whoopin today.

The only thing that gets Sheldon going more than his' grasping at straws is when his attorney is grasping at straws. He is quite excited and totally drawn into Marty's hocus pocus.

breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

Clear, you keep asking why we delay.
the answer is because you guys didn't want to work out a deal at Wye and now we will use any an all means to protect ourselves from the draconian results of the NIC>

that will include, delay, separate ops, bleeing you dry of money, the courts and any other means possible to ignore the NIC.
have a good day.

No Sh!t. Every single person on the planet knows this. Problem. It's clearly both a DFR and illegal. Maybe damages won't be awarded, but its going to cost your fake union a fortune to find out. At least 50/50.

 

[Claxon]

No Sh!t. Every single person on the planet knows this. Problem. It's clearly both a DFR and illegal. Maybe damages won't be awarded, but its going to cost your fake union a fortune to find out. At least 50/50.

You need to submit to a polygraph when you tell those stories.

 

[EastUS1]

Every single person on the planet knows this.

Umm...OK...Just step away from the keyboard and wait for the nice men in the white coats to take you to a safe place where you can get some needed help.

 

[Claxon]

Clear, you keep asking why we delay.
the answer is because you guys didn't want to work out a deal at Wye and now we will use any an all means to protect ourselves from the draconian results of the NIC>

that will include, delay, separate ops, bleeing you dry of money, the courts and any other means possible to ignore the NIC.
have a good day.

Highly successful at it also. Leonidas is grinding to a halt. Unethical greedy behavior and no money. Even Harper smells the end of a very lucrative ride Fergie and Koontz provided him.

 

[Claxon]

Spare us all any AWA "ace pilot" fantasies son. I've already had enough laughs for the day, and you likely don't amount to a pimple on a rat's arse in any case. You're personally far too hopelessly pathetic to even accept a purely recreational flying wager. I take it you've not changed your mind on the wager, oh mighty "spartan"? Sigh! Why don't you just stop by the APA's chat threads and explain to them the awesome superiority of your AWA ilk, especially yourself, of course, and don't forget to make light of their many aircraft tragedies while you're there. I'm sure they'll be equally "impressed" with you.

"Stupid is as stupid does."

Ask him about his polygraph story.

 

[Metroyet]

Umm...OK...Just step away from the keyboard and wait for the nice men in the white coats to take you to a safe place where you can get some needed help.

You're just pissed that nobody on your side saw the MOU problem coming. You saw a couple bucks and voted it in. Every base. Mistake. Hummel knew ripeness was gone with this MOU yet he still sold you down the river. I wonder ""what was in it for him" to betray his dear minions so... Oh well, you can't run from the truth forever anyway.

Time to face the music.

 

[cleardirect]

The purpose of the union is to protect all its members. When a union doesn't do that and even strays into abusing a majority of its members to benefit a minority then it gets replaced.

Good bye usapa. Getting replaced.

 

[mrbreeze]

Good bye usapa. Getting replaced.

Sheldon,

I look forward to being a member of APA, however, it will be AFTER your greed is squared away.

breeze

 

[Metroyet]

Sheldon,

I look forward to being a member of APA, however, it will be AFTER your greed is squared away.

breeze

What is the name of the LLC the East pilots form to sue the APA, New American, AOL, PBGC, Seham, Symanski, every member in the history of the BPR, ALPA, and so on? Will you donate? For how long?

Being your group stepped on the Claymore, you should probably give it some thought. (More thought than went into the 7 potential LUPs that were so absurdly written)

 

[mrbreeze]

What is the name of the LLC the East pilots form to sue the APA, New American, AOL, PBGC, Seham, Symanski, every member in the history of the BPR, ALPA, and so on? Will you donate? For how long?

Being your group stepped on the Claymore, you should probably give it some thought. (More thought than went into the 7 potential LUPs that were so absurdly written)

 

[Zone5]

Finally got through to you.

So hypocrite. How does your statement stand up to the east pilot/usapa concept that DOH is the "gold standard" and ONLY way to integrate seniority?

So if every SLI stands independently you are admitting that in the merger between east and west Nicolau could have gotten the facts and the list right?

That the east pilots delaying 5 years because you did not like the outcome was a waste of time and huge loss of money. Because each SLI turns on it's own facts.

Gee, I'm not too sure what you are trying to say here.

No, I am not, "admitting that in the merger between east and west Nicolau could have gotten the facts and the list right", clearly he didn't, if he had, it would be in use today, which it is not. The result of the NIC is that the pilots, their contracts and the aircraft they fly, to this day, have NEVER been "merged", yes or no?

The circumstances in effect at the time of the "attempted" merger of the AWA and AAA pilots, aircraft and contracts were such that Nicolau's "proposed" solution, was "stillborn" and still is, dead is dead! You can prop up its corpse in the corner and throw a big "Weekend at Bernie's" party to your hearts content, doesn't bring it back to life!

Could Nicolau have gotten the "list" right (or at least to the point where the majority would ratify it)?, sure. The fact of the matter is that he did not, had he, we would not be where we are today, which by the way is indeed, where we are. Three lists, three fleets and three contracts, all of which will eventually be "merged" in accordance with the MOU that we ALL ratified. Which, by the way, will enable all of us to achieve an industry standard contract (OK, in a few years), working for the World's largest airline, with consequently considerably enhanced job security. Will all of us then be in a "better place" than we ever thought we would be when we went to work for either AWA or AAA? I think so and I also think that that would constitute a "legitimate union purpose" or would you prefer to just go back the "good old days" at Americaworst or Useless Airways? I know I wouldn't.

By the way, it will end up closer to 10 years, of being "banished" to the desert. Will it have been worth it at that point for you? It will have been for me, as a "long suffering" East 75/76 F/O, having ALWAYS been paid more than my West counterpart. Isn't it great that thanks to the MOU, we are now at equal rates of pay? Don't forget to bid the 75 on your next equipment bid.


seajay

 

[end_of_alpa]

I disagree. And will not go into it here other than a couple of observations.

The ENTIRE JCBA would have to go to arbitration for there to be no vote. Not going to happen.

Same with the SLI. APA may be foolish enough to go to arbitration on parts of the list integration, but they will NOT turn over the entire process to arbitration. Count on that.

Greeter

OK. Show me where in the MOU it says that.