Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

Thanks for the grammar check.

 

[traderjake]

Name the arbitrations.

Frontier - Republic, Delta - Northwest, USAirways - America West, and USAir - Trump Shuttle.

 

[cleardirect]

(Reuters) - AMR Corp, American Airlines' bankrupt parent, on Wednesday received court approval to merge with US Airways Group Inc and create the world's largest airline.

I guess that would make usapa's filing in NY.... moot!

Another waste of dues money by east pilots.

 

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Benedict Arnold was actually a great General of the Revolutionary War: "
Born in Connecticut, Arnold was a merchant operating ships on the Atlantic Ocean when the war broke out in 1775. After joining the growing army outside Boston, he distinguished himself through acts of intelligence and bravery. His actions included the Capture of Fort Ticonderoga in 1775, defensive and delaying tactics despite losing the Battle of Valcour Island on Lake Champlain in 1776, the Battle of Ridgefield, Connecticut (after which he was promoted to major general), operations in relief of the Siege of Fort Stanwix, and key actions during the pivotal Battles of Saratoga in 1777, in which he suffered leg injuries that ended his combat career for several years.
Despite Arnold's successes, he was passed over for promotion by the Continental Congress while other officers claimed credit for some of his accomplishments.[sup][3][/sup] Adversaries in military and political circles brought charges of corruption or other malfeasance, but most often he was acquitted in formal inquiries. Congress investigated his accounts and found he was indebted to Congress after spending much of his own money on the war effort. Frustrated and bitter, Arnold decided to change sides in 1779, and opened secret negotiations with the British." http://en.wikipedia....Benedict_Arnold Dan isn't even a fly on the ass of Arnold's horse. You give him too much credit where no credit is due.

I wonder what motivates Dan! It was 18 year old p_ssy that did in Arnold: "After the British withdrew from Philadelphia in June 1778, Washington appointed Arnold military commander of the city.[sup][48][/sup] Even before the Americans reoccupied Philadelphia, Arnold began planning to capitalize financially on the change in power there, engaging in a variety of business deals designed to profit from war-related supply movements and benefiting from the protection of his authority.[sup][49][/sup] These schemes were sometimes frustrated by powerful local politicians, who eventually amassed enough evidence to publicly air charges. Arnold demanded a court martial to clear the charges, writing to Washington in May 1779, "Having become a cripple in the service of my country, I little expected to meet [such] ungrateful returns".[sup][50][/sup]

Arnold lived extravagantly in Philadelphia, and was a prominent figure on the social scene. During the summer of 1778 Arnold met Peggy Shippen, the 18-year-old daughter of Judge Edward Shippen, a Loyalist sympathizer who had done business with the British while they occupied the city.[sup][52][/sup] Peggy had been courted by British Major John André during the British occupation of Philadelphia.[sup][53][/sup] Peggy and Arnold married on April 8, 1779.[sup][54][/sup] Peggy and her circle of friends had found methods of staying in contact with paramours across the battle lines, despite military bans on communication with the enemy.[sup][55][/sup] Some of this communication was effected through the services of Joseph Stansbury, a Philadelphia merchant.[sup][56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold[/sup]

 

[nevergiveup]

I guess that would make usapa's filing in NY.... moot!

Another waste of dues money by east pilots.

We thank you for your support.

 

[Zone5]

Not according to the last four pilot seniority arbitrations.

So what! Every SLI is independent, stands on it's own and results from the specifics in play at the companies involved, at that point in time. You seem to think that other SLI's automatically form the basis or "formula" for how those that follow will turn out. Hogwash!

How can COMPLETELY different circumstances dictate the outcome of completely different circumstances? For instance, ever been a three way that you know of? Where's the "precedence" for that, not that it would matter either, because.........the circumstances would be different and would play out as determined by the germane process agreed to by the parties involved. In our case, the MOU.

At this point we don't even know 100% for sure that there will be a POR. You claim to know that the SLI issue (if there is a POR) will have to be settled by arbitration because according to your "crystal ball" negotiations are "doomed to fail". Tell that to SWA and AirTran, two distinctly "different" pilot groups that found it in their collective "best interests" to reach a negotiated and ratified SLI. Imagine that, how could that be, impossible, the "other guys" would never go for that! Whosoever may have felt "aggrieved" in that SLI, have not (to my knowledge) filed any DFR claims and somebody in that mix "must" have come up with a suitable LUP (whatever that is) and the whole thing is moving forward just fine.

Bottom line, who cares what the last twenty SLI scenarios were! The only one I care about, or ever will for that matter, is how this one (or more accurately, these three lists) ultimately come together.

Nobody knows what the eventual "specific outcome" is going to be. We do know what the process is that will lead us there. Unless you really believe that AOL is going to come down with the ball in the end-zone, at the conclusion of the "Hail Marty" play recently filed.


seajay

 

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Frontier - Republic, Delta - Northwest, USAirways - America West, and USAir - Trump Shuttle.

Frontier-Republic, McCaskill-Bond, average loss of 2 years, Delta-Northwest, ALPA merger policy, three arbitrators (this time) and no explanation needed, US Airways - America West....invalidated and US Air - Trump, Geo. Nicolau with 150 former Eastern pilots who resigned from Eastern for the Shuttle, also ALPA piss poor merger policy. Not the best of examples, Dan. Besides, Arbitrators want to make their own law, why chance it? APA pilots have to deal with the TWA debacle after the closure of STL. That should be interesting.

 

[end_of_alpa]

So what! Every SLI is independent, stands on it's own and results from the specifics in play at the companies involved, at that point in time. You seem to think that other SLI's automatically form the basis or "formula" for how those that follow will turn out. Hogwash!

How can COMPLETELY different circumstances dictate the outcome of completely different circumstances? For instance, ever been a three way that you know of? Where's the "precedence" for that, not that it would matter either, because.........the circumstances would be different and would play out as determined by the germane process agreed to by the parties involved. In our case, the MOU.

At this point we don't even know 100% for sure that there will be a POR. You claim to know that the SLI issue (if there is a POR) will have to be settled by arbitration because according to your "crystal ball" negotiations are "doomed to fail". Tell that to SWA and AirTran, two distinctly "different" pilot groups that found it in their collective "best interests" to reach a negotiated and ratified SLI. Imagine that, how could that be, impossible, the "other guys" would never go for that! Whosoever may have felt "aggrieved" in that SLI, have not (to my knowledge) filed any DFR claims and somebody in that mix "must" have come up with a suitable LUP (whatever that is) and the whole thing is moving forward just fine.

Bottom line, who cares what the last twenty SLI scenarios were! The only one I care about, or ever will for that matter, is how this one (or more accurately, these three lists) ultimately come together.

Nobody knows what the eventual "specific outcome" is going to be. We do know what the process is that will lead us there. Unless you really believe that AOL is going to come down with the ball in the end-zone, at the conclusion of the "Hail Marty" play recently filed.


seajay

That's the point of it. Thanks for saving my breath. Actually, Republic/Frontier/Midwest/Lynx was actually a "four way". Manage a Quas???

 

[traderjake]

Reuters
4:52 p.m. CDT, March 27, 2013

A judge on Wednesday approved AMR Corp's plan to merge with US Airways Group , a step toward creating the world's largest airline.

http://www.airlinedaily.com/feeds.html#http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGcKWlQyCG1OdWQx2N13-5RUyge4w&url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-ceo-severance-comes-up-in-amr-us-airways-merger-20130327,0,4460379.story

 

[end_of_alpa]

Reuters
4:52 p.m. CDT, March 27, 2013

A judge on Wednesday approved AMR Corp's plan to merge with US Airways Group , a step toward creating the world's largest airline.

http://www.airlineda...0,4460379.story

One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong, Can you tell which thing is not like the others. By the time I finish my song? Everybody, now....

 

[nevergiveup]

One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong, Can you tell which thing is not like the others. By the time I finish my song? Everybody, now....

Is one of the ties a clip on?

 

[snapthis]

Funny, but we pity YOU!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Which one is AOL? The acorn or the dinosaur squirrel?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Is one of the ties a clip on?

Comm'on maine! It's the one thing that you and I sit in for a livin'. Get wich da pitch ahh!

 

[Res Judicata]

I guess that would make usapa's filing in NY.... moot!

Another waste of dues money by east pilots.

It was already moot. The idiots sued an irrelevant organization. Does Pat Symanski actually have a license? He practices law as astutely as the East flys airplanes.