Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

It says "lists" because there can only be two "lists" that can be legally used. Subject to the limitations the "companies" have made in para 10, APA gives their certified data to USAPA and vice versa. Each of those two parties propose a combined list to each other. If they agree, it will probably go out for a rank and file vote to solidify it. If not, the arbitrators get it.

I'm guessing on the vote but my guess is that would be the way I would play it.

The West pilot class/AOL/Posinelli/Shugart are suiing for USAPA to use the Nicolau award.

Pat should go in for the kill shot with the companies appeal to the 9th and get his ruling then. He had the opportunity with Silver but I think he blew it.

The only hope WPC/AOL/POS has is the courts and the door is closing.

What I HOPE Pat would argue with the Ninth is that the Nicolau award is legally invalid for NOT using longevityDOH throughout the award thereby discriminating against the pilots at the former US Airways. Discrimination affected the East pilots, not the West. Avoiding the IS a legitimate union objective.

WPC/AOL/POS. pretend union wannabes.

Oh please I hope Pat takes your advice. Please let Pat try and argue at the ninth that the Nicolau is invalid because it does not use DOH/LOS.

I would take the time and go to SFO to watch that show.

You really don't have a clue what is being argued at the ninth do you?

 

[Phoenix]

.. Besides usapa has to have a legitimate union purpose BEFORE the SLI is complete not after.

Provide a reference please... maybe a link. Links to Chil, Metro, and Nic4 don't count.

 

[Claxon]

No...wrong....status class and category are determined by ....um ...it is so obvious even an east hole should understand this....

They are determined by status class and category.

This is the final countdown for Leonidas. If you could call it that. They are the Somali Seniority Thieves, and their boat is finally going down.

 

[cleardirect]

Not true. The company has a DOH list as well that was given to them. It was just the issue of which list has more longevity. But since you don't care about longevity then it shouldn't have any bearing, now should it?

The company also has a wish list from usapa for $300 per hour to fly the 330. That is just as valid as the DOH list. NOT! Just because the company has it does no mean it has any value.

 

[Phoenix]

I can't imagine that either, because the merger has broken the stalemate, and furthered careers/earnings/and security of the union members....

There is no LUP in not using the Nic.....BTW..that is why the case is ripe now!

Yes, ripe now. Please refer to the paragraph in the 9ths opinion that validates your claim to ripeness. A link without comment will suffice.

 

[cleardirect]

You do realize that "status, class and category" are determined by DOH/LOS, not in lieu of it, right?


seajay

Really? Might want to ask the Empire guys or the TWA guys if that is a true statement.

Status, class and category are determined by SENIORITY. I guess you fail to understand that DOH/LOS is not seniority.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Oh please I hope Pat takes your advice. Please let Pat try and argue at the ninth that the Nicolau is invalid because it does not use DOH/LOS.

I would take the time and go to SFO to watch that show.

You really don't have a clue what is being argued at the ninth do you?

Oh, enlighten me!

 

[end_of_alpa]

The company also has a wish list from usapa for $300 per hour to fly the 330. That is just as valid as the DOH list. NOT! Just because the company has it does no mean it has any value.

Kind of like.....the Nicolau award. Moving on.

 

[cleardirect]

Provide a reference please... maybe a link. Links to Chil, Metro, and Nic4 don't count.

Take the time to read the companies filings, the Paul Jones letter and the appeal.

 

[nevergiveup]

The Mou calls for MB.

That alone requires only two lists, and that is why the West voted overwhelmingly in favor.

I think you are confused, and think the other players are going to allow usapa to bring it's DFR failure into play and EF up the orderly integration of the pilots post merger.

Not going to happen. LCC management was willing to allow you to piss in your own cherios as long as you liked, but The New American management is going to breath a sigh of relief the day the APA files for single carrier representation status, which BTW is also in the MOU and time constrained.

Where exactly does MB require only two lists? I read over it but could not find it. A link would be appreciated.

 

[cleardirect]

Oh, enlighten me!

To start with you fail to understand what and how a court of appeals works. What their purpose is.

If you understood that you would not have made your statement. Go figure out what can and can't be argued on appeal.

 

[nic4us]

APA has absolutely no obligation to the West class. They have no contract with them. Nor any legal obligation. Leonidas is pi$$ing up a rope

You go to the bank (you are the APA) and it is robbed ( by usapa). Afterward the police ask you for a statement as a witness to the crime. You say you saw nothing. They tell you they have you on video opening the door for the perpetrator. You say well, if you have it on video, why do you need me for a description. They say, we don't, we are just trying to figure out if you are an accomplice.

Being a legitimate union well aware of the duty of fair representation, the APA would be fools for opening the door and abetting the usapa DOH seniority theft scheme.

 

[cleardirect]

Where exactly does MB require only two lists? I read over it but could not find it. A link would be appreciated.

Can you find the part of M/B that says it can be used for a merger that happened before the law was passed and after an arbitration was already done?

Can you find the part about using M/B when pilots are represented by the same union?

 

[nic4us]

APA has absolutely no obligation to the West class. They have no contract with them. Nor any legal obligation. Leonidas is pi$$ing up a rope

BTW, the APA does have a contract with the pilots of LCC in the MOU.

 

[nevergiveup]

Can you find the part of M/B that says it can be used for a merger that happened before the law was passed and after an arbitration was already done?

Can you find the part about using M/B when pilots are represented by the same union?

I guess I could try and look it up for you. Don't know the answer. You might try google! I think it is on the same page that says you can force an arbitration that has not met its contractual requirements!