Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

Hey Luv, not picking on you, I was just thinking about your profit sharing reference:


I saw your post and kept thinking about what you fear, that being in a few years the New AMR has a yearly profit of, say 2B, and how you won't get a "piece." Let me say first that our best chances for improving our lot lie in working for a successful company. Unlike you, I see no downside to the Company being wildly successful.

Delta got a new contract early. In doing so they gave DL some more Scope relief (and by relief they actually brought almost 20% of their regional flying in house) and gave up profit sharing for hourly raises. The APA did the same thing, I believe we got some percentage raises earlier in that "trade."

As to a "2B" yearly profit figure, little ol' US Airways just had a yearly profit of $637M (.64B!) Under our current contract, I got $4907, and took home about 3K. And that profit was only divided for 5000 or so pilots, not over 11 or 12K at the New AMR.

Last year included our biggest quarterly profit ever, and I took home 3K. I would get the same moneys from an hourly raise of $5 flying 85 hours. And I would get it each and every year, even the ones where a profit is not shown. Based on the history of this industry I personally prefer the bird in hand. Is that not win/win? I guess if you glass is half empty it never will be.

Not even counting the JNC process, I think there will be opportunities to reopen our contract. Not sure when, but new hire pay is going to have to go up eventually, and when they need it to go up, they will have to come to us. Same for some of the new programs on the horizon, such as bringing guys on the property who cannot even fly. And I also think Parker is coming back for changes in Scope. Our guys actually did pretty well considering what they were up against (being left out of most of the process.) Parker did NOT get what HE wanted. Look, I may be off on all my predictions, but I just don't see this airline, and industry being static. As we finally see a profitable industry, management is going be willing to share if it can get them even bigger profits. That will require no more leverage than simply good negotiations. Again, look at Delta. They plan on making tons of more moneys, and were willing to talk early to move on.


So bring it on, big profits. In less than 3 years my compensation will hopefully exceed .25M. They are going to need them to keep paying me (and stop with the testicle evaluations, we are in a much better place now than February 7th.)


Greeter

I hope your right and things work out, but I believe we could have done better if we had more unity here.,

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I hope your right and things work out, but I believe we could have done better if we had more unity here.,

Agreed. But we did not have the unity, and we had a host of other problems in the mix, many indeed self-inflicted.

But all said and done, using the reasonable man concept, I think we did as well as we could. Much better than I would have believed possible even a year ago. I truly believe that

Greeter

 

[cleardirect]

I hope your right and things work out, but I believe we could have done better if we had more unity here.,

You east guys destroyed any chance of unity long ago.

 

[A320 Driver]

Agreed. But we did not have the unity, and we had a host of other problems in the mix, many indeed self-inflicted.

But all said and done, using the reasonable man concept, I think we did as well as we could. Much better than I would have believed possible even a year ago. I truly believe that

Greeter

Isn't 3/4 of the pilot group voting in favor of the MOU some kind of unity?

 

[Phoenix]

Isn't 3/4 of the pilot group voting in favor of the MOU some kind of unity?

I would agree but I don't think that percentage is high enough for Greater... He said the unanimous votes on the first MOU were not really unified... (ribbing alert )

 

[end_of_alpa]

You east guys destroyed any chance of unity long ago.

Hense the return full circle.

As I am so fond of Milton, Paradise Lost is a book of poems about pilots.

"Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven".

 

[end_of_alpa]

Isn't 3/4 of the pilot group voting in favor of the MOU some kind of unity?

Not according to AOL.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I would agree but I don't think that percentage is high enough for Greater... He said the unanimous votes on the first MOU were not really unified... (ribbing alert )

 

[Claxon]

Your all or nothing Nicolau demand was the birth of USAPA. Mr G, you made your bed.

 

[Claxon]

You guys crack me up. Even when you guys lose an argument you refuse to accept it. Guess you guys just never lose, since you refuse to accept it.

Bean

What argument has the East specifically lost?

 

[Claxon]

If it were only that simple. Grow a pair and the company will just cave to whatever you want.

You did not notice that the pair was full grown? Read the MOU and weep.

 

[Beancounter]

What argument has the East specifically lost?

It's already been explained 1000+ times. I rest my case.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

It's already been explained 1000+ times. I rest my case.

Bean

Back at you.

 

[Beancounter]

Your all or nothing Nicolau demand was the birth of USAPA. Mr G, you made your bed.

That's funny. If I remember right, everytime the west said, "what kind of modifications to the Nic do you want?" The east slid over a DOH list with modifications. YOUR all or nothing DOH demands is what ended us up in the arbitration in the first place!

Bean

 

[Claxon]

That's funny. If I remember right, everytime the west said, "what kind of modifications to the Nic do you want?" The east slid over a DOH list with modifications. YOUR all or nothing DOH demands is what ended us up in the arbitration in the first place!

Bean

Read the MOU, enjoy your nation of stagnation. The west pilots did nothing in the last five years except insist on an internal arbitration, the nicolau.

Name one thing the west pilots did to improve the life style of US Airways pilots. Good luck with that one. You went from a lottery ticket, to a scratch off ticket. Now you have a scratch and smell ticket with a stench similar to what the Gas Utility company sends you.