Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

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It also has a few tips for thawing.


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Snap,

The worst money I ever spent was buying Siri for my family phones. What a waste. And I hate trying to listen to a voicemail and having her come up.

Turning her off completely was fast and easy!

Greeter

 

[snapthis]

Snap,

The worst money I ever spent was buying Siri for my family phones. What a waste. And I hate trying to listen to a voicemail and having her come up.

Turning her off completely was fast and easy!

Greeter

I think we all found something in common. We sent Siri packing. I have autocorrect in time-out too.

 

[nycbusdriver]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

APA is going to clean our clocks.

You keep saying that about the clock cleaning. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there is no rational basis for it. If it gets to arbitration, it will be slotted. The APA will not even have the opportunity to "clean our clocks."

 

[cleardirect]

While some have mused that the Judge was less than encouraging with his overall demeanor and style,...

This is quite an admission from the pension committee. Have any of you taken the time to read the transcripts from the trial? Would the statement from the pension committee make anyone a little curious as to why the judge was not encouraging in his style or demeanor?

If you don't want to take the couple of hours to read all of them just read the last day. Feb. 28 pages 62-65. I can't cut and paste so do a little work and download them.

The most enlightening statement from the court was on page 64. This is after 3 years of this case. Hundreds of thousands of documents and three days of testimony at trial. The judge has just stated that “I don’t need more oral argument today…” “So closing arguments won’t help. I have as current a record as anything here.” (Speaking to Mr. Butler)

The Court: "Let’s find out what the pilots can possibly get out of it first, because I don’t see that yet at this point in time."

The judge does not see what the pilots can get out of this trial.

Question? Why did usapa only post the usapa filings and not the PBGC filings? They are available. Yet again usapa only telling one side of the story.

I have read both parties briefings. Honestly the PBGC filings sounded accurate and matter of fact. usapa's sounded whiny and repetitive ignoring the testimony from the trial.

But read all of them for yourself and draw your own conclusion.

It really is sad that you east pilots have spent almost $4 million dollars and did not learn anything you did not know 4 years ago. US Airways went BK and the pension failed. Just like 4000 other pensions that the PBGC has. I hope you all feel better when this is over.

 

[cleardirect]

You keep saying that about the clock cleaning. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there is no rational basis for it. If it gets to arbitration, it will be slotted. The APA will not even have the opportunity to "clean our clocks."

What let me get this straight. If an arbitrator slots us in with the APA it is not getting your clocks cleaned.

But when a arbitrator slotted you with AWA you lost your minds and called it a moral outrage, demanded the heads of ALPA. called the arbitrator a senile old man and refused to live up to your deal.

Are you kidding me? That was a VERY expensive lesson to learn, if you actually learned it.

 

[nycbusdriver]

What let me get this straight. If an arbitrator slots us in with the APA it is not getting your clocks cleaned.

But when a arbitrator slotted you with AWA you lost your minds and called it a moral outrage, demanded the heads of ALPA. called the arbitrator a senile old man and refused to live up to your deal.

Are you kidding me? That was a VERY expensive lesson to learn, if you actually learned it.

I said it would be slotted, not the rape that Nicolau issued. What Nicolau did WAS INDEED A MORAL OUTRAGE.

 

[traderjake]

I said it would be slotted, not the rape that Nicolau issued. What Nicolau did WAS INDEED A MORAL OUTRAGE.

Nicolau slotted us by equipment and status, the M/B arbitration panel is most likely going to do the same.

Reneging on a mutually agreed upon arbitration is the moral outrage.

 

[Pi brat]

This is quite an admission from the pension committee. Have any of you taken the time to read the transcripts from the trial? Would the statement from the pension committee make anyone a little curious as to why the judge was not encouraging in his style or demeanor?

If you don't want to take the couple of hours to read all of them just read the last day. Feb. 28 pages 62-65. I can't cut and paste so do a little work and download them.

The most enlightening statement from the court was on page 64. This is after 3 years of this case. Hundreds of thousands of documents and three days of testimony at trial. The judge has just stated that “I don’t need more oral argument today…” “So closing arguments won’t help. I have as current a record as anything here.” (Speaking to Mr. Butler)

The Court: "Let’s find out what the pilots can possibly get out of it first, because I don’t see that yet at this point in time."

The judge does not see what the pilots can get out of this trial.

Question? Why did usapa only post the usapa filings and not the PBGC filings? They are available. Yet again usapa only telling one side of the story.

I have read both parties briefings. Honestly the PBGC filings sounded accurate and matter of fact. usapa's sounded whiny and repetitive ignoring the testimony from the trial.

But read all of them for yourself and draw your own conclusion.

It really is sad that you east pilots have spent almost $4 million dollars and did not learn anything you did not know 4 years ago. US Airways went BK and the pension failed. Just like 4000 other pensions that the PBGC has. I hope you all feel better when this is over.

Here is a bigger question: Why the hell do you care? It's not your money, it won't affect you in any way. Get a life.

 

[Pi brat]

Nicolau slotted us by equipment and status, the M/B arbitration panel is most likely going to do the same.

Reneging on a mutually agreed upon arbitration is the moral outrage.

So the top 517 east were widebody captains, right?

 

[cleardirect]

I said it would be slotted, not the rape that Nicolau issued. What Nicolau did WAS INDEED A MORAL OUTRAGE.

So if you are (I will give you the benefit of the doubt) were 40% on a stand alone and ended up 35% on the Nicolau. That to you is a rape and moral outrage.

But if you are 35% on the Nicolau and end up 36% on a combined american /US Airwyas list you did not get your clock cleaned?

Just trying to understand where your moral are.

 

[cleardirect]

Here is a bigger question: Why the hell do you care? It's not your money, it won't affect you in any way. Get a life.

Simply pointing out the emotional rants and waste of money you east pilots go through.

You are correct It is not my money. So I have an objective view point of the case. It is a loser.

Just like trying to avoid final and binding arbitration is a loser and waste of money. Just shaking my head that you east pilots will follow whatever snake oil salesman tells you they can fix all of your perceived problems.

That instead of accepting reality you boys go chasing rainbows thinking you have some moral quest to right all the wrongs. Except sometimes #### happens.

Now how about my question of why they did not post the PBGC's filings? Hiding something from you?

Have your read the transcripts for all three days? Have you read the filings?

No different than hanging all your hopes on LOA 93. Remember Kasher will pay? Where is that 3% answer anyway?

 

[cleardirect]

So the top 517 east were widebody captains, right?

No. So why did Nicolau do that?

He could have started the west pilot number three and set 5-7 year WB fences. Would that have made you happy? West pilots being even further up the list.

Should the west be outraged and call it a moral failing?

 

[Pi brat]

Simply pointing out the emotional rants and waste of money you east pilots go through.

You are correct It is not my money. So I have an objective view point of the case. It is a loser.

Just like trying to avoid final and binding arbitration is a loser and waste of money. Just shaking my head that you east pilots will follow whatever snake oil salesman tells you they can fix all of your perceived problems.

That instead of accepting reality you boys go chasing rainbows thinking you have some moral quest to right all the wrongs. Except sometimes #### happens.

Now how about my question of why they did not post the PBGC's filings? Hiding something from you?

Have your read the transcripts for all three days? Have you read the filings?

Hiding it from you. I've read it all and don't care.

I could ask you the same. Why continue to fund a loser case and the loser LLC AOL? But, it's your money.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Just a quick question....are you guys really going to just go back and forth with the same stuff over and over and over for the next 6 to 10 months while waiting for the POR date?

It's quite obvious nothing is going to happen until then. Maybe a nice hobby to fill your time? Well i guess for some this is your hobby!!

 

[Pi brat]

Should the west be outraged and call it a moral failing?

Yes, you should. But you are in the winning part of the equation so you don't care about your senior pilots that could lose out to those like 924PS.