Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[snapthis]

Don't you get tired of saying your (incorrect) position OVER AND OVER again?? Everyone knows your OPINION. if you were correct, a court would have ordered your NIC implemented. We are where we are because it is not done and the TA allowed renegotiation IAW the RLA. That was done with the MOU and now we all have to go through the process to finish.

NIC, NIC, NIC, no matter how often you say it it does not exist in a contract and will not.

How do you expect to get DOH with people like me standing between you and your pipe dream with the APA?

 

[3dtv]

How do you expect to get DOH with people like me standing between you and your pipe dream with the APA?

How do you expect your pipe dream NIC when no court in the land will allow it?

 

[snapthis]

How do you expect your pipe dream NIC when no court in the land will allow it?

Why would a court rule against binding arbitration making all forms of similar decisions null and void?

Not going to happen.

 

[cleardirect]

Yes, you have stumbled onto something important. This was never about getting to a SLI per se, this has always and will always be about getting to a ratified contract that includes the seniority list. Cheers.

What does the MOU do for us? Ratified contract.

Arbitration takes one section of the contract. Section 22 and instead of negotiating that single section we all agreed to allow an arbitrator to decide what that would be.

Seniority between east and west has been completed.

The MOU completes a joint ratified agreement.

US Airways has a single operating certificate.

Those three items complete requirements.

 

[Metroyet]

How do you expect your pipe dream NIC when no court in the land will allow it?

How ADD does one have to be to believe that?

 

[cleardirect]

How do you expect your pipe dream NIC when no court in the land will allow it?

You don't understand.

Final and binding is the law. It is usapa that has to get a court to say it is not the Nicolau.

 

[Phoenix]

What does the MOU do for us?

Read it.

 

[Phoenix]

You don't understand.

Final and binding is the law. It is usapa that has to get a court to say it is not the Nicolau.

The law. Please point out the statute that says that. You can't.

"Final and binding" was/is language in a contract among shrewd business sharks. At the POR that contract is replaced with a new contract among consenting business sharks. Any line swine who thinks they know how it will fall out is simply deluding themselves. What will be will be.

But I will suggest that If you think DUI will unilaterally impose either the Nic or DOH on the USAir pilots at the POR, and that he would then publish a system bid based on either of those two, then you are smoking crack.

 

[3dtv]

What does the MOU do for us? Ratified contract.

Arbitration takes one section of the contract. Section 22 and instead of negotiating that single section we all agreed to allow an arbitrator to decide what that would be.

Seniority between east and west has been completed.

The MOU completes a joint ratified agreement.

US Airways has a single operating certificate.

Those three items complete requirements.

Wrong, right, wrong. Play again.

 

[A320 Driver]

What does the MOU do for us? Ratified contract.

nope

Arbitration takes one section of the contract. Section 22 and instead of negotiating that single section we all agreed to allow an arbitrator to decide what that would be.

Until he screwed it up.

Seniority between east and west has been completed.

nope

The MOU completes a joint ratified agreement.

nope

US Airways has a single operating certificate.

yep

Those three items complete requirements.

nope... only in your mind.

 

[Pi brat]

I guess there were no big revelations on the legal from from Mr. Kirby today or we would have heard by now.

 

[A320 Driver]

I guess there were no big revelations on the legal from from Mr. Kirby today or we would have heard by now.

Was there supposed to be? I didn't know anything was going on today...

 

[Walmartgreeter]

As I have said, when it finally sinks in with the West Class they have actually voted away even the perception of NIC, look for the offers, ideas, suggestions, threats, and demands for some "process" going forward to "resolve" our issues. Having been away flying, I come back to pages and pages of West posters telling, asking, even demanding how they should be treated in a three way or two way. As predicted. NIC or nothing now is "nothing." Too late, the train has left.

The West Class will have their dates of hire, furlough time, etc. presented to APA, and maybe later an arbitrator. They will also have a complete fleet count of the PHX base presented, along with USAPA's best arguments for their career expectations. When the issue comes up as to widebodies, they simply have none, nor had any expectation or orders. That one will be easy for APA, USAPA, and maybe an arbitration to resolve.

Still waiting for Cactus Dave to publically ask the Company to publish a combined list, publish a system bid, and grant the West class their arbitrated 190 flying. I know the answer, but understand his reluctance to ask the question.

As to all the various sins of the NIC, and there were many, all the comman man needs to know is this:

You cannot put a new hire ahead of a 17 year pilot. Period. Not going to happen.

By the way, my favorite post of the weekend was Trader going over to one of the F/A threads and chastising them for going DOH.

Greeter

 

[traderjake]

You cannot put a new hire ahead of a 17 year pilot. Period. Not going to happen.

By the way, my favorite post of the weekend was Trader going over to one of the F/A threads and chastising them for going DOH.

I chastised the West F/As for becoming part of a Union with a DOH merger policy.

The West F/As got screwed but it was their own doing.

You cannot put a Reserve F/O ahead of a Captain on the same airplane. Ain't gonna happen.

 

[A320 Driver]

I chastised the West F/As for becoming part of a Union with a DOH merger policy.

The West F/As got screwed but it was their own doing.

You cannot put a Reserve F/O ahead of a Captain on the same airplane. Ain't gonna happen.

They put plenty of A320 Captains in front of A330 Captains...but that's OK too, huh.