Just an example of what a LOS list looks like.
Number one east 1/1973
Number one APA 1/73
Number one west 6/1983
By LOS the number on west pilots goes from number one to 875. How does that maintain his career expectation?
Well, for roughly 10,000 AMR pilots (remains to be seen how many take the recall) and 3500 East pilots the list dovetails quite nicely. After all, thats almost 90% of the list. Further down the line fences make a good solution.
Your number one pilot being bumped to 875? His career expectation was a narrowbody in PHX under Kirby rates. Pretty big step up to a 777 any where in the country and MOU pay. I do not see the damage but yet another feeble land grab.
The overwhelming problem is the West perception that the slighest detriment you may suffer is a DFR.
It' is not. Unions do it all the time. Pensions are terminated impacting the worker with 30 years vested in the plan far more than the one with 2. Protections are negioted away - plants close. Those workers protected are now laid off.
Just has to meet a reasonable standard.
Right?
Did you miss this part of my post?
The APA pilot currently number 200 (2.3%) LOS places 875 east pilots senior to him resulting in now being 7.2% on a combined list. How does LOS maintain his career expectation?
The APA pilot number 500 has over 1000 east pilots senior to him by LOS. 1/3 of east pilots would be in the top 10 of a combined list.
That east pilot who was 25.7% on a stand alone east list would now be 7.2%. Does LOS maintain his career expectation or does it give him a windfall?
How does number 200 APA having 875 east pilots ahead of him "dovetails quite nicely?
How does going from 25.7% out of 3500 to 7.2% our of 15,000 dovetail quite nicely?
The number 500 APA pilot would lose over 1000 number to east pilots ahead of him. 1/3 of the east pilots in the top 10% of the combined list. At the same time in the top 1500 pilots LOS only has 58 west pilots.
Does not sound like a very smooth and equitable distribution of seniority. What possible defense would usapa have to argue over 1000 east pilot and 58 west pilots in that strata? 30% of the east and 3% of the west. usapa does have to represent ALL US Airways pilots fairly and equally. That would appear to be more than just a slight detriment. Using the Nicolau eliminates that problem.
What about all those WB fences you have been talking about? Those will keep him out of the 777.
Moving down the list. Junior 320 group II captain. West captain currently 917 (55.4%) LOS 9210 (61.4%) East captain 2366 (69.7%) LOS 4627 (30.8%) A 38.9% increase in seniority. How does going from 70% down the list to having 70% of the APA list below him dovetail nicely? How is a gain of almost 40% not a windfall and maintain career expectation?
In the top 33% of the combined list 70% are east pilots.
Do you think the APA would negotiate for 2366 east pilots to be placed senior to 6400 APA pilots? Do you think an arbitration panel is going to create a list that is so obviously unbalanced?
What kind of un-holy 99 year fence do you think could ever make that right? What leverage would usapa have to get the company to accept anything close to making a 40 % gain workable?
Umm, pension termination are not union decisions.
The overwhelming problem is east entitlement attitude that DOH/LOS is the one and only thing that matters in an integration.
