Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[dca319]

It was sent to me, they said it came from the AA bankruptcy plan. The chart graph that came with it did not come through for some reason.

Who is "they?"

 

[dca319]

The only question I have is when will the west pilots complain about how this merger ruined their lives, PHX etc.

If they do do that, they'd be taking their cue from us. We complained about how this merger ruined our lives so much that we put a new union on the property, started a food fight, and subsidized Parkers operation with LOA 93.

 

[dca319]

195's, just be patient skippy, it's not to soon to get your manual.

Sure is a ton of "insider" info you're getting Courtney. You using doom and gloom to pave the way for the new reps to come in and be heroes? Maybe start a recall of Hummel for the good of the pilots? Overturn the MoU vote? Which is it?

 

[Pi brat]

If they do do that, they'd be taking their cue from us. We complained about how this merger ruined our lives so much that we put a new union on the property, started a food fight, and subsidized Parkers operation with LOA 93.

WE. Keep the lie going. Integrity in action.

 

[cleardirect]

That may all come to pass. The same type of things would have happened in this merger had it not been for our food fight and the transition agreement. It cost Parker a lot of money to operate the way we have, it's just that we have subsidized that with LOA 93.That won't be the case with this merger and aircraft will be moved to where the make sense. You don't see 767s locked into CLT do you? The only question I have is when will the west pilots complain about how this merger ruined their lives, PHX etc.

The complaint is that the east because of your childish temper tantrum demanding separate ops has kept the west from being part of the merger. Because of your low rates Parker put all the flying on the B scale side.

When this merger is completed and the west has equal opportunity to benefit from the merger let the cards fall as they will. If PHX shrinks so be it as long as PHX pilots can go to another base on our rightful seniority and equal benefits. If PHX grows pilots from other bases are more than welcome to to bid in and enjoy the base.

The complaint has been usapa and the east pilots have not represented the west fairly and have taken everything for yourselves.

Example. Read the last grievance update. You guys all scream for DOH. Yet when the company tries to use DOH and place the west pilots by their DOH on the east list senior to new hires. Usapa fights that because it would benefit a west pilot. The MDA pilots got an arbitration, lost and now usapa is considering spending money and going to federal court because (shock) another arbitrator does not go along with usapa's view of the world. But on the other side usapa refused to even arbitration the west distant learning grievance and cost the west $2.5 million. Equal and fair treatment. Not hardly. Looking forward to a union that is not vindictive and selfish.

You east guys will probably not like the way you are treated by the majority but it will be nothing compared to the way the east treated the west. No it was not the merger that ruined our lives, it was east pilots and usapa that caused the problem.

Enjoy your new minority status and hope you get better treatment than you gave.

 

[Pi brat]

The complaint is that the east because of your childish temper tantrum demanding separate ops has kept the west from being part of the merger. Because of your low rates Parker put all the flying on the B scale side.

When this merger is completed and the west has equal opportunity to benefit from the merger let the cards fall as they will. If PHX shrinks so be it as long as PHX pilots can go to another base on our rightful seniority and equal benefits. If PHX grows pilots from other bases are more than welcome to to bid in and enjoy the base.

The complaint has been usapa and the east pilots have not represented the west fairly and have taken everything for yourselves.

Example. Read the last grievance update. You guys all scream for DOH. Yet when the company tries to use DOH and place the west pilots by their DOH on the east list senior to new hires. Usapa fights that because it would benefit a west pilot. The MDA pilots got an arbitration, lost and now usapa is considering spending money and going to federal court because (shock) another arbitrator does not go along with usapa's view of the world. But on the other side usapa refused to even arbitration the west distant learning grievance and cost the west $2.5 million. Equal and fair treatment. Not hardly. Looking forward to a union that is not vindictive and selfish.

You east guys will probably not like the way you are treated by the majority but it will be nothing compared to the way the east treated the west. No it was not the merger that ruined our lives, it was east pilots and usapa that caused the problem.

Enjoy your new minority status and hope you get better treatment than you gave.

You pathetic whiner! Go read your transition agreement, and TA-9 then get back to me.

 

[Res Judicata]

195's, just be patient skippy, it's not to soon to get your manual.

Best of luck on you do over attempt!!

 

[Bill Brasky]

The complaint is that the east because of your childish temper tantrum demanding separate ops has kept the west from being part of the merger. Because of your low rates Parker put all the flying on the B scale side.

Your illustrious leaders at AOL should have thought about that before they fought against pay parity for the East.

The rest of your post was just stupid and doesn't deserve a response.

 

[Beancounter]

Tell them what? That absent the US/AW merger they would have been furloughed a lot sooner and they sure as hell wouldn't be looking to return as American Airlines pilots? That truth?

Your writing style seems familiar....

Yes, without the merger they would have most likely been furloughed. I don't see your point though. Sans a merger ALL the east pilots would have been on the street with no chance of return. What was your point?

Bean

 

[dca319]

WE. Keep the lie going. Integrity in action.

Vote is over Pi, you can relax now.

 

[cactusboy53]

It was sent to me, they said it came from the AA bankruptcy plan. The chart graph that came with it did not come through for some reason.

It was from the internet. Everything sent on the internet is true. Can we meet your French model that you're dating? Maroon.

 

[dca319]

You pathetic whiner!

Edgy, edgy. Integrity?

 

[dca319]

No, I was thinking your dark side, the one that doesn't play the "rational, moderate eastie."

If you are an eastie, are there any comments the westies make the irritate you? Any of their false claims? I can't remember you calling anyone on the carpet except easties.

None made that I need to address. Everything that does irritate me comes from arrogant east pilots who arrogantly dismiss the west and Nicolau after all these years of proof that they're not going away.
What about Trader, you ask him the same question?

 

[cleardirect]

You pathetic whiner! Go read your transition agreement, and TA-9 then get back to me.

you mean the T/A that said east pilots agree to ALPA merger policy and the result of the arbitration.

Yes I know it well.

 

[cleardirect]

Your illustrious leaders at AOL should have thought about that before they fought against pay parity for the East.

The rest of your post was just stupid and doesn't deserve a response.

The west did fight for pay parity. Right up to the time the east walked away from your agreement, obligation and responsibility.

But hey usapa has been in charge for 5 years why did they not get parity for you?

No response because it is the truth and you know it.