Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

The complaint is that the east because of your childish temper tantrum demanding separate ops has kept the west from being part of the merger. Because of your low rates Parker put all the flying on the B scale side.

When this merger is completed and the west has equal opportunity to benefit from the merger let the cards fall as they will. If PHX shrinks so be it as long as PHX pilots can go to another base on our rightful seniority and equal benefits. If PHX grows pilots from other bases are more than welcome to to bid in and enjoy the base.

The complaint has been usapa and the east pilots have not represented the west fairly and have taken everything for yourselves.

Example. Read the last grievance update. You guys all scream for DOH. Yet when the company tries to use DOH and place the west pilots by their DOH on the east list senior to new hires. Usapa fights that because it would benefit a west pilot. The MDA pilots got an arbitration, lost and now usapa is considering spending money and going to federal court because (shock) another arbitrator does not go along with usapa's view of the world. But on the other side usapa refused to even arbitration the west distant learning grievance and cost the west $2.5 million. Equal and fair treatment. Not hardly. Looking forward to a union that is not vindictive and selfish.

You east guys will probably not like the way you are treated by the majority but it will be nothing compared to the way the east treated the west. No it was not the merger that ruined our lives, it was east pilots and usapa that caused the problem.

Enjoy your new minority status and hope you get better treatment than you gave.

Should have gone for the fence!

 

[dca319]

WE. Keep the lie going. Integrity in action.

You do understand that you're on the internet and that everyone's post should be taken with a grain of salt? Why so serious today?

 

[dca319]

Your illustrious leaders at AOL should have thought about that before they fought against pay parity for the East.

The rest of your post was just stupid and doesn't deserve a response.

Give it a rest idiot Bill. We have east pilots arguing that it was the west MEC that fought parity and now you blame AoL. Just shut up and leave it alone.

 

[nevergiveup]

Give it a rest idiot Bill. We have east pilots arguing that it was the west MEC that fought parity and now you blame AoL. Just shut up and leave it alone.

Why so serious today?

 

[Pi brat]

Yes, without the merger they would have most likely been furloughed. I don't see your point though. Sans a merger ALL the east pilots would have been on the street with no chance of return. What was your point?

Bean

If you don't see the point then try and keep up. I've said just that. Absent the merger we would all have probably been out of a job. Me being out of one before you probably wouldn't have been the consolation you think.

 

[Pi brat]

you mean the T/A that said east pilots agree to ALPA merger policy and the result of the arbitration.

Yes I know it well.

you mean the T/A that said east pilots agree to ALPA merger policy and the result of the arbitration.

Yes I know it well.

Yeah, that one, but you don't know it well or you skip over the most crucial part of it.

Integrity test.

-What must happen before any joint SL can be used?
-Has that happened?
-Does the T/A have a timeline for that happening and are certain behaviors listed that would make that event null and void?
-Had the SLI gone badly for the west pilots, could they have used the provisions of the T/A to delay implementation?
-What was TA-9 about and who issued the decision(here's a hint for you-it was a process that you guys hold near and dear to you hearts)

 

[Pi brat]

You do understand that you're on the internet and that everyone's post should be taken with a grain of salt? Why so serious today?

That's your logic for being a poser. More intergity!

I know traderjake and have flown with him. That gives me insight to his posts.

 

[Pi brat]

Vote is over Pi, you can relax now.

So your work is done?

 

[cleardirect]

Should have gone for the fence!

Should have lived up to your obligations.

 

[dca319]

Today, on my way back from Europe, when I finished my break and was preparing to return to the cockpit, I could see this heavy set, bearded guy by the 1L door talking to the lead FA, one of our senior ex-PSA FAs. He was obviously doing all the talking and she was just nodding and adding a word or two into the conversation, basically trying to be nice and putting up with him.

I went into the galley and grabbed a cup of coffee, then proceeded to the area where they were standing. I had to stand there for a couple of minutes, waiting for a passenger to exit the FWD Lav, so that I could return to the cockpit. During that time, I heard the heavy set guy telling the lead FA what his opinion was of seniority integration for the FA's.

While I was standing there, this jerk changed the subject to the area of the pilots and binding arbitration, obviously trying to pull me into the conversation.

I just told him that he needed to return to his seat while we accessed the cockpit door.

There it is again, folks...that lack of class. I found out later that he is some West employee, doing God knows what for the company.

He was out of line. This crap doesn't belong in the galley in front of our passengers and interfering with our duties.
breeze

Just so I have it straight - you're telling us a west employee on a trans-atl flight cornered one of our FAs and talked incessantly about SLI and she merely stood there and listened to him prattle on and not walk away? And then you're telling us he saw you, switched the conversation to our SLI while still talking to our FA in the hopes of baiting you into the conversation.
Is that your story? No wonder you get down voted for this. Hey Pi, am I supposed to agree with what he said here so that you accept me as one of your own or lay into him for making this crap up?

 

[dca319]

So your work is done?

What work? I don't have an agenda. You?

 

[dca319]

That's your logic for being a poser. More intergity!

I know traderjake and have flown with him. That gives me insight to his posts.

And if you didn't know him, then you would think he was a west pilot - is that correct?

 

[nevergiveup]

Should have lived up to your obligations.

We did, but the NIC was done so badly, it prevented us from getting a contract. Did you think we would be willing to accept a bad contract just so you could have the Nic? Nic should have come up with something both sides could have lived with. It's that simple.

 

[cleardirect]

We did, but the NIC was done so badly, it prevented us from getting a contract. Did you think we would be willing to accept a bad contract just so you could have the Nic? Nic should have come up with something both sides could have lived with. It's that simple.

"We did, but." That is all you have to say. No, you did not live up to your obligations. End of story there are no excuses or justification.

Arbitration does not end with I agree except if I don't like it.

 

[nevergiveup]

"We did, but." That is all you have to say. No, you did not live up to your obligations. End of story there are no excuses or justification.

Arbitration does not end with I agree except if I don't like it.

so you feel tat USPA should had gotten a contract just to allow the nic to be used. I'm sorry, but there's a bit more to it than that. Look, if I were in your shoes, I'd want that Nic as badly as you do!