Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Lottery ticket. That's really funny. Tell that to the West pilots who were furloughed as a result of the acquisition. I'm a MIGS. Look for my check, you will see one word in the memo.

EXTORTION

Not extortion at all. If you chose to not pay, you can quit. Simple really. Have you apologized to Dawn yet?

 

[PullUp]

Great!! See you in court!! It's going to be hysterical to watch USCABA try and convince a Federal Judge that they can gang rape the America West PIlots because.....why again? what gives them the right? What EXACTLY is that LUP that is so obviously required?

Cut me a break. This thing will be over with years before the issue sees the inside of a courtroom. And by the time it does, it'll be sooooo moot, the judge will laugh as he bangs the gavel "dismissed".

 

[Pi brat]

He comes across as a very nice man on TV. We both had a far different impression of him in court. It's too bad, he made a poor choice that day in April. He had far better judgement just three months earlier.

You know what? If you didn't like his message or his delivery, fine. But I was flying with him when the ALPA dog and pony show came to town. He stood up and told that group exactly what he thought of the Nicolau award. Spouting off about him just make you guys look more childish than usual.

 

[Res Judicata]

Cut me a break. This thing will be over with years before the issue sees the inside of a courtroom. And by the time it does, it'll be sooooo moot, the judge will laugh as he bangs the gavel "dismissed".

Just saved this one. We'll revisit fairly shortly....after the POR.

 

[N924PS]

You know what? If you didn't like his message or his delivery, fine. But I was flying with him when the ALPA dog and pony show came to town. He stood up and told that group exactly what he thought of the Nicolau award. Spouting off about him just make you guys look more childish than usual.

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[mrbreeze]

Today, on my way back from Europe, when I finished my break and was preparing to return to the cockpit, I could see this heavy set, bearded guy by the 1L door talking to the lead FA, one of our senior ex-PSA FAs. He was obviously doing all the talking and she was just nodding and adding a word or two into the conversation, basically trying to be nice and putting up with him.

I went into the galley and grabbed a cup of coffee, then proceeded to the area where they were standing. I had to stand there for a couple of minutes, waiting for a passenger to exit the FWD Lav, so that I could return to the cockpit. During that time, I heard the heavy set guy telling the lead FA what his opinion was of seniority integration for the FA's.

While I was standing there, this jerk changed the subject to the area of the pilots and binding arbitration, obviously trying to pull me into the conversation.

I just told him that he needed to return to his seat while we accessed the cockpit door.

There it is again, folks...that lack of class. I found out later that he is some West employee, doing God knows what for the company.

He was out of line. This crap doesn't belong in the galley in front of our passengers and interfering with our duties.
breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Ahh....2 negative votes for my comment.

Apparently the classless stick together, regardless of the truth.
breeze

 

[cleardirect]

Cut me a break. This thing will be over with years before the issue sees the inside of a courtroom. And by the time it does, it'll be sooooo moot, the judge will laugh as he bangs the gavel "dismissed".

Really! That is quite a sense of the legal system you have. Take the time and educate yourself sometime. Look at a few cases and figure out how long it takes to get through the court system. But in your warped mind a judge will toss a case because he thinks it has gone on to long. Now that would be a biased judge.

Damage or harm does not become moot. All you have to do is sit in an east crew room and listen to the bitching that goes on about ancient grievances and how they are going to make the company pay.

This thing will be over but it will not have to see a courtroom. When 3 of the 4 parties want it done and agree what the solution is it is done. The APA is not going to screw around delaying because a minority of pilots think they deserve more than they got at arbitration.

 

[traderjake]

​

The timeline below illustrates what we can expect to happen over the next six months as the plan of reorganization is completed and the corporation moves through the approval process and eventually exits bankruptcy (most likely in the third quarter, but all dates are estimates). If and when the plan of reorganization is approved, we will then petition for single carrier status and begin negotiations toward a joint collective bargaining agreement and eventually negotiate/arbitrate an integrated seniority list. This entire process is expected to take 18 to 24 months before it is completed.
Feb. 20, 2013

• Filing of motion to approve merger agreement and support and settlement agreement
  

Week of Feb. 18, 2013

• Hart-Scott-Rodino (HSR) filing (legal antitrust review by Department of Justice)
  

March 22, 2013
(30 days after the filing of the motion)

• Bankruptcy court hearing on approval of merger agreement and support and settlement agreement
  

Week of March 25, 2013
(30 days after the initial HSR filing)

• DOJ issues second request to AMR and LCC requesting additional information regarding the merger
  

April 21, 2013
(30 days after the approval of the merger agreement)

• Debtors file plan of reorganization (“Planâ€￾) that provides for, among other things, the treatment of claims and consummation of the merger transaction
• Debtors file disclosure statement, which provides a history of the debtors and bankruptcy cases, an explanation of the Plan and treatment of creditors and why the debtors believe the Plan is feasible and the best option available
• Debtors file a motion to approve the disclosure statement that requests, among other things, approval of the disclosure statement, approval of the voting procedures and a schedule for the confirmation of the Plan
  

Week of May 27, 2013
(60 days after second request from DOJ)

• AMR and LCC respond to second request from DOJ for information regarding the Plan
  

Week of June 26, 2013
(30 days after responses to second request from DOJ)

• Deadline for DOJ to decide to block merger or not. If it does not block or reach extension of time to consider merger with LCC and AMR, the parties can close on the merger
• Ordinarily DOJ will ask for extension of time and it will be granted by the parties
• It is estimated that DOJ will make a decision between late June and late September
  

July 5, 2013
(75 days after the filing of the disclosure statement and Plan)

• Hearing before bankruptcy court to consider approval of the disclosure statement
  • Court will consider whether the disclosure statement contains adequate information as required by the bankruptcy code
  • Objections to approval of the disclosure statement will be due approximately seven days prior to the hearing
    

Week of July 7

• Distribution to creditors of the disclosure statement, Plan and ballots for voting by UCC with respect to the Plan
  

Beginning of August

• Voting deadline
  • All impaired classes (except those deemed to reject because they will receive no distribution) are entitled to vote
  • With respect to each impaired class of claims, the entire class of claims is deemed to accept a Plan if the Plan is accepted by creditors that hold at least two-thirds in amount and more than one-half in number of the allowed claims in the class
    
• Deadline for objections to Plan
  

End of August/beginning of September

• Hearing before bankruptcy court to consider confirmation of the Plan
  • Court will consider objections to the Plan
  • Court will consider whether the Plan satisfies the requirements of Section 1129 of the bankruptcy code
  • If the Plan is approved, the debtor can then emerge from bankruptcy. If there is opposition to the Plan, additional delays regarding the corporation’s exit from bankruptcy are possible
    

​

 

[traderjake]

He stood up and told that group exactly what he thought of the Nicolau award.

Saving peoples' lives makes him a hero, not an abiter of fairness.

That would be the job of an arbitrator.

 

[A320 Driver]

Today, on my way back from Europe, when I finished my break and was preparing to return to the cockpit, I could see this heavy set, bearded guy by the 1L door talking to the lead FA, one of our senior ex-PSA FAs. He was obviously doing all the talking and she was just nodding and adding a word or two into the conversation, basically trying to be nice and putting up with him.

I went into the galley and grabbed a cup of coffee, then proceeded to the area where they were standing. I had to stand there for a couple of minutes, waiting for a passenger to exit the FWD Lav, so that I could return to the cockpit. During that time, I heard the heavy set guy telling the lead FA what his opinion was of seniority integration for the FA's.

While I was standing there, this jerk changed the subject to the area of the pilots and binding arbitration, obviously trying to pull me into the conversation.

I just told him that he needed to return to his seat while we accessed the cockpit door.

There it is again, folks...that lack of class. I found out later that he is some West employee, doing God knows what for the company.

He was out of line. This crap doesn't belong in the galley in front of our passengers and interfering with our duties.
breeze

Sounds like you handled the situation well. Regardless of the topic of conversation, he shouldn't have been in the galley anyway. We can't get sucked into these debates. Hopefully this will all be settled this time next year.

 

[snapthis]

Not extortion at all. If you chose to not pay, you can quit. Simple really. Have you apologized to Dawn yet?

Go back to the thread and read it again. You obviously lack the comprehension so I explained it in the simplest terms possible. So easy a Peed-Mont High drop-out could understand.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Guess I missed that giant e190 order.....

Say it ain't so !!!!!!!! Can't say you weren't warned.
FLEET:





777: AA 772s reconfigured in previously-announced higher-density J/MCE/Y layout and find their way onto

legacy-US routes such as PHL/CLT-LHR and legacy-AA routes like JFK/DFW-CDG, DFW/MIA-MAD,
MIA-GIG/SCL, etc.


A330: US A330s reconfigured with MCE and deployed on legacy-AA routes such
as JFK-FCO, JFK-BCN, MIA-BCN, MIA-CNF, etc.


787/A350: 787s introduced per recent AA-Boeing agreement, A350 order possibly cancelled in favor of
additional A320 family jets to rapidly replace US 737s and 757s, and AA MD80s.


767: US 762 fleet parked near-immediately, and replaced with AA 763s or 757s; AA 763 retirement timeline
accelerates.


757: US 757 fleet parked near-immediately, and replaced byAA 757s (either domestic or international
configuration, as applicable) or new narrowbody jets being delivered.


A321: AA/US comingled fleets used throughout network, including increasingly to replace 757s in Hawaii and
Latin America markets, and on transcons; separate AA premium JFK-LAX/SFO A321 plans continue.


737/A320: US 737s parked near-immediately; AA handles 737/A320 mix much like Delta, with 737 being
configured with a larger premium cabin for use in premium domestic markets and transcons, while A320
configured with a smaller premium cabin and used for lower-yielding markets (e.g., non-MIA Florida, leisure
Caribbean and Mexico, PHX/LAS/RNO, etc.)


A319: AA/US co-mingled fleets used throughout domestic/North America network.


MD80: fleet retirement continues and accelerates.


EJet/CR7: EJets will be prioritized first and foremost to more competitive markets where a better product is
required (e.g., ORD and NYC, then WAS and PHL) while CR7s will be flowed into other hubs where AA is more dominant (DFW, MIA, CLT, LAX)


Dash 8: The USExpress fleet of Dash 8s are quite old, and will need replacement at some point, and many of Eagle’s shorter routes out of multiple hubs (including DFW, ORD and MIA) would also be a good fit for a prop; I could see AMR/regionals placing a substantial order for Q400s or ATR72s to fill this role.


INTERNATIONAL NETWORK:


Atlantic: Some shifting and optimization among hubs/gateways; 1 daily FRA and seasonal GLA flights shifted from PHL to JFK (as 757s), and JFK also picks up 1 daily flight to TLV; CLT-FCO shifted to MIA-MXP and seasonal CLT-DUB ended entirely; PHL/CLT-FRA each lose 1 daily and PHL-MUC/ZRH exited entirely (due to dependence on Star connections); seasonal PHL-ATH market exited entirely (due to poor economy) while PHL-BCN and CLT-MAD upgraded from seasonal to year round.



Pacific: Little direct impact from merger, beyond US bringing feed and connectivity from US hubs and strength markets to AA Asia-bound flights instead of onto United codeshare flights; may provide marginal boost to NRT/China flying; longer-term, AA/JL JV adds daily JL 787 on PHL-NRT.


Latin America: Little change beyond CLT losing GIG and likely GRU flying and some Caribbean
weekend flying with that capacity shifted to MIA, although CLT retains substantial capacity to major
markets (e.g., CUN, AUA, PUJ, SJU, STT, MBJ, etc.)

 

[A320 Driver]

Guess I missed that giant e190 order.....

LOL! Good point! He tells so many whoppers, he can't keep them straight.

 

[767one]

Say it ain't so !!!!!!!! Can't say you weren't warned.
FLEET:





777: AA 772s reconfigured in previously-announced higher-density J/MCE/Y layout and find their way onto

legacy-US routes such as PHL/CLT-LHR and legacy-AA routes like JFK/DFW-CDG, DFW/MIA-MAD,
MIA-GIG/SCL, etc.


A330: US A330s reconfigured with MCE and deployed on legacy-AA routes such
as JFK-FCO, JFK-BCN, MIA-BCN, MIA-CNF, etc.


787/A350: 787s introduced per recent AA-Boeing agreement, A350 order possibly cancelled in favor of
additional A320 family jets to rapidly replace US 737s and 757s, and AA MD80s.


767: US 762 fleet parked near-immediately, and replaced with AA 763s or 757s; AA 763 retirement timeline
accelerates.


757: US 757 fleet parked near-immediately, and replaced byAA 757s (either domestic or international
configuration, as applicable) or new narrowbody jets being delivered.


A321: AA/US comingled fleets used throughout network, including increasingly to replace 757s in Hawaii and
Latin America markets, and on transcons; separate AA premium JFK-LAX/SFO A321 plans continue.


737/A320: US 737s parked near-immediately; AA handles 737/A320 mix much like Delta, with 737 being
configured with a larger premium cabin for use in premium domestic markets and transcons, while A320
configured with a smaller premium cabin and used for lower-yielding markets (e.g., non-MIA Florida, leisure
Caribbean and Mexico, PHX/LAS/RNO, etc.)


A319: AA/US co-mingled fleets used throughout domestic/North America network.


MD80: fleet retirement continues and accelerates.


EJet/CR7: EJets will be prioritized first and foremost to more competitive markets where a better product is
required (e.g., ORD and NYC, then WAS and PHL) while CR7s will be flowed into other hubs where AA is more dominant (DFW, MIA, CLT, LAX)


Dash 8: The USExpress fleet of Dash 8s are quite old, and will need replacement at some point, and many of Eagle’s shorter routes out of multiple hubs (including DFW, ORD and MIA) would also be a good fit for a prop; I could see AMR/regionals placing a substantial order for Q400s or ATR72s to fill this role.


INTERNATIONAL NETWORK:


Atlantic: Some shifting and optimization among hubs/gateways; 1 daily FRA and seasonal GLA flights shifted from PHL to JFK (as 757s), and JFK also picks up 1 daily flight to TLV; CLT-FCO shifted to MIA-MXP and seasonal CLT-DUB ended entirely; PHL/CLT-FRA each lose 1 daily and PHL-MUC/ZRH exited entirely (due to dependence on Star connections); seasonal PHL-ATH market exited entirely (due to poor economy) while PHL-BCN and CLT-MAD upgraded from seasonal to year round.



Pacific: Little direct impact from merger, beyond US bringing feed and connectivity from US hubs and strength markets to AA Asia-bound flights instead of onto United codeshare flights; may provide marginal boost to NRT/China flying; longer-term, AA/JL JV adds daily JL 787 on PHL-NRT.


Latin America: Little change beyond CLT losing GIG and likely GRU flying and some Caribbean
weekend flying with that capacity shifted to MIA, although CLT retains substantial capacity to major
markets (e.g., CUN, AUA, PUJ, SJU, STT, MBJ, etc.)

Luv,

Can you post a link to this info or perhaps explain where it came from?

Thanks,

Bob