Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

If you want ot hear about angry F/As talk to our crews that fly PHL to Europe.

I don't have to talk to them trader, I flew the 76I out of PHL and CLT. I found those F/As to be pretty much like domestic ones. Some of best, some of the worst. One of the best was a lovely lady that was hired at Mohawk before I was born. That, and the fact that I'm married to a F/A that flies trans-Atlantic whenever she can.

I'm kind of surprised by that comment. Even though you and I had an issue when we flew together, you took what I saw as exceptional care of our F/As. I didn't have to do much for them, you took care of them. Do you have issues with flying with them for the whole trip, signing them in etc? If not, why do you have to chime in on the side of the west AF/Os all the time?

 

[cleardirect]

Ok I have to point this out. Situational ethics at it best.

S/T message about the PHL election.

"There is much being said about the PHL Domicile Vice Chairman runoff election and so much of the chatter is without basis in fact that it has become necessary for me to set the record straight. "


Usapa should start every message with that statement. They need to set the record straight because you east guys come up with some crazy stuff.


But this statement really caught my eye.

"With that being said, I understand that human nature has a way of filtering fairness through one’s own views and desired outcome. Please do not assume that a view or ruling contrary to your view of fairness is fraud or manipulation."


For all you east pilots apply that same statement to the Nicolau list. except that is not what usapa had to say about judge Wake and the ruling he issued is it.

Read it again. Just because the ruling is contrary to YOUR view of fairness it is not fraud or manipulation.

Loa 93 the arbitration did not understand.
The MDA case the arbitration was on meds and did not understand.
Nicolau is senile.
Judge Wake is biased.
The Nicolau is a windfall.

All opinions filtered through your view of fairness. Not fraud or manipulation.

Change the situation a little bit and all the logic and excuses for not using the Nicolau fall apart.

 

[flyboeing737]

From the West perspective...

From an arbirator that you picked and two neutrals perspective.

 

[Res Judicata]

[font=Arial']Another Harper gem of an idea. Really?

Do I insert this new cockamamie plan on the timeline before or after not signing in the East F/As?

And to save you some donation moneys, it is already considered and will not work as you say. Your agent in M/B is and will continue to be USAPA, until there is a JCBA including a ratified joint list. But thanks for the entertainment.[/font]

Greeter

certainly you must know that USAPA is a doomed CBA right? Who is going to keep fighting the illegal War when the corpse of your scab union is thrown on the trash heap? You know for a fact this is going back to Federal Court before any protocol gets utilized right? There is no Certified East Class you know? There never will be either. The clock is going to run out on you if nothing else gets accomplished.

All facts. Ignore as you wish.

 

[Bill Brasky]

certainly you must know that USAPA is a doomed CBA right? Who is going to keep fighting the illegal War when the corpse of your scab union is thrown on the trash heap? You know for a fact this is going back to Federal Court before any protocol gets utilized right? There is no Certified East Class you know? There never will be either. The clock is going to run out on you if nothing else gets accomplished.

All facts. Ignore as you wish.

You're an idiot. All it takes to become a "certified class", to use your words, is to file a lawsuit. Plus, there is no pending order against the East saying that a judgement specifically applies to them, as Judge Sllver did to the Westicles when she amended her order. The Nic isn't going anywhere. It won't be a player. Count on it.

There are no facts to ignore, except for the ones that continually tell you that the Nic is dead.

You and your friends that dwell on this are morons.

 

[Res Judicata]

You're an idiot. All it takes to become a "certified class", to use your words, is to file a lawsuit. Plus, there is no pending order against the East saying that a judgement specifically applies to them, as Judge Sllver did to the Westicles when she amended her order. The Nic isn't going anywhere. It won't be a player. Count on it.

There are no facts to ignore, except for the ones that continually tell you that the Nic is dead.

You and your friends that dwell on this are morons.

APA would fight your class certification just like you scabs tried to against the West adding MONTHS to the timeline. Clock running out

 

[Claxon]

APA would fight your class certification just like you scabs tried to against the West adding MONTHS to the timeline. Clock running out

Kevin, you got it all wrong. When you are Metroyet and now. The only clock running is the one Marty runs and uses to bill you for the bad advice he dispenses.

 

[luvthe9]

APA would fight your class certification just like you scabs tried to against the West adding MONTHS to the timeline. Clock running out

You are so funny, thanks for keeping us entertained.!!!!!! tick tock.

 

[nic4us]

Marty has failed to deliver most everything, save a 3 million dollar legal bill.

Seeham deliver that DOH contract for the $10 mil he billed? NOPE!

Wilder deliver the DOH contract ? .....he had a blog ya know!

Shystermanski's or is it Sphynctermanski get a DOH contract? Nope, but he sold you an the MOU that guarantees the NIC!

The company tossed uscaba's DOH list right back at them in 2008, and has since told them to shove it!


THANKS MARTY....you are worth every penny!!!!!

 

[nic4us]

APA would fight your class certification just like you scabs tried to against the West adding MONTHS to the timeline. Clock running out

You are right RES, there will not be any east class because....well why would there be?

There might be a class of reneging scabs who join together and file a lawsuit.....but that will not make them the "east" class!

Further, who are they going to sue, and what are they going to sue for,,,, the company for not kowtowing to their demands, or the APA for well ...um....kicking their ### instead of kissing it,,,,,or the West pilot class for.....um...again like the APA!!

 

[nic4us]

You're an idiot. All it takes to become a "certified class", to use your words, is to file a lawsuit. Plus, there is no pending order against the East saying that a judgement specifically applies to them, as Judge Sllver did to the Westicles when she amended her order. The Nic isn't going anywhere. It won't be a player. Count on it.

There are no facts to ignore, except for the ones that continually tell you that the Nic is dead.

You and your friends that dwell on this are morons.

It is a little more involved than just filing a lawsuit...ask Seeham.

Also, there are a couple of orders that while they do not apply to just east pilots, most definitely apply to uscaba.

Dismissed with prejudice,,,,,do you know what that means?

Free to negotiate under "PAIN of an unquestionably ripe DFR". Got a clue yet?

Usapa is on "dangerous ground"......yep, that applies!

Parked by the NMB...neutered by the federal court system....destined to lose it's charter....usapa is so irrelevant even an "east class" member should be able to figure it out!

 

[nic4us]

You are so funny, thanks for keeping us entertained.!!!!!! tick tock.

Make sure your buddies don't go and destroy any evidence.

You do know what a litigation hold is right?

Who knows, maybe even a lost laptop will show up.

 

[Ames]

I don't respect him one darn bit. His award should go down as one of the biggest blunders in arbitration history.

Of course you don't resect him. He didn't give you what you wanted and you are too much of a child to understand that people more relevant than you do respect him.

 

[Ames]

I have always suspected that the company has instigators on this board posing as employees in order to sow discontent and hatred as a wedge between employees.... No doubt there is a propensity for division already and it only take a little leaven to leaven the whole lump.

Ames almost looks like a West pilot, but his feigned over the top hatred of all employees, including the FAs... Not believable.. The FAs serve the pilots drinks. Only complete idiots would invite them to spit in the cup before pouring the coke.

In your world the fact that the west pilots will refuse to do a silly east tradition translates to hatred of FA's. Talk about a stretch!

West FA's would be insulted if we even tried to sign them in and they are much too professional to spit in our coffee. I guess we have a lot to look forward to in flying with east FA's.

 

[A320 Driver]

From an arbirator that you picked and two neutrals perspective.

Don't make me pull out that award and quote to you from our neutral...OK? He wasn't happy with it but he did what his pal Prater told him to do in the end.