Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

I don't have to talk to them trader, I flew the 76I out of PHL and CLT. I found those F/As to be pretty much like domestic ones. Some of best, some of the worst. One of the best was a lovely lady that was hired at Mohawk before I was born. That, and the fact that I'm married to a F/A that flies trans-Atlantic whenever she can.

I'm kind of surprised by that comment. Even though you and I had an issue when we flew together, you took what I saw as exceptional care of our F/As. I didn't have to do much for them, you took care of them. Do you have issues with flying with them for the whole trip, signing them in etc? If not, why do you have to chime in on the side of the west AF/Os all the time?

You have direct knowledge then, I'm going off horror stories told by a friend.

No issues, I try to do whatever I can for whoever I fly with.

I'll never understand guys who don't make trip sheets, it takes 5 minutes and makes everyones job easier.

Don't punish the F/As because you're mad at the company

 

[Ames]

Sorry, fools. The East pilots don't need to. YOUR dues are helping support our cause. Plus, there has been no shortage of lawyers, legal experts or anyone else to support our cause.

YOU LOSE AGAIN!

I must say, you even top eastus for jackass of the day.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I must say, you even top eastus for jackass of the day.

Truth hurts, doesn't it? Sucks to be you.

 

[cactusboy53]

Truth hurts, doesn't it? Sucks to be you.

Oooohhhh, Billy! You is on fire! The master of wit & repartee tonight!

 

[N924PS]

Oooohhhh, Billy! You is on fire! The master of wit & repartee tonight!

Wit and Repartee...sounds like a good name for a law firm!

 

[cleardirect]

Don't need a theory. Prater was crystal clear he wanted us to take one for the team because it was contract time at his pet carriers. All that after he strolled into the crew room and announced he knew the NIC was "problematic" the first time he saw it. File your suit and lets get this show on the road. It's time for this to be over and it won't be over until a judge says it's over.

call your rep and officers to stop delaying and get to it. Read the Jones letter. It is usapa that has refused to let the court decide.

 

[cleardirect]

Sorry, fools. The East pilots don't need to. YOUR dues are helping support our cause. Plus, there has been no shortage of lawyers, legal experts or anyone else to support our cause.

YOU LOSE AGAIN!

Try and catch up. You were talking about an east class. I was laying out what you needed. You will not have dues money anymore.

Good for you that you have lots of lawyers. That would be lawyers working for a union with dues income. Let us know when you find a lawyer that will take the case with volunteer donations.

 

[Metroyet]

Sorry, fools. The East pilots don't need to. YOUR dues are helping support our cause. Plus, there has been no shortage of lawyers, legal experts or anyone else to support our cause.

YOU LOSE AGAIN!

There's been no shortage of Lawyers willing to take your money you mean? Like that little New York >>> that over billed your group by TWO MILLION DOLLARS?! Give Away Gary Gave Away that money...your dues money btw. I'm pretty sure the West Warned you guys he was a scumbag...but true to form you ignored sane advice and got Fked.

You should all be used to it by now.

 

[Portly Dorman]

You need to get your crew room whispers straight.....

Actually, he was their third choice unless the MC flat out lied to me.

We actually struck for him first. We already had him do a prior integration and figured he was a known quantity.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Try and catch up. You were talking about an east class. I was laying out what you needed. You will not have dues money anymore.

Good for you that you have lots of lawyers. That would be lawyers working for a union with dues income. Let us know when you find a lawyer that will take the case with volunteer donations.

Try and follow along...The East doesn't need a "class". Don't need to waste OUR money on a foolish venture. The Nic i gone, voted away as well as ruled against by the courts.

You guys can throw away all the money you want on your losing cause. The East doesn't need to or want to.

So far, all the money spent by the USAPA on this has been very well spent.

 

[snapthis]

Try and catch up. You were talking about an east class. I was laying out what you needed. You will not have dues money anymore.

Good for you that you have lots of lawyers. That would be lawyers working for a union with dues income. Let us know when you find a lawyer that will take the case with volunteer donations.

Their dependency on our dues money to further their objectives of entitlement are evident. If you have been following the Supreme Court case below, Justice Scalia mentions a form of entitlement in his arguments.

I think this applies with our dispute. It's the "perpetuation of dues entitlement" which screams of DFRII when the statement is made concerning the use of dues money to further the objectives of one group of another within the same union.

Justice Scalia goes on to mention that it is hard to get out of them through the normal political processes. I could not agree more. Some disputes are best settled in court.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/12-96.pdf

: ERIC H. HOLDER, JR., : ATTORNEY GENERAL, ET AL. : -----------------x
1
2
3
4 5v.
Petitioner
: No. 12-96
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES -----------------x
SHELBY COUNTY, ALABAMA

3 I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to
4 a phenomenon that is called perpetuation of racial
5 entitlement. It's been written about. Whenever a
6 society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult
7 to get out of them through the normal political
8 processes.

 

[Ames]

Truth hurts, doesn't it? Sucks to be you.

No truth coming from the likes of you. How does it feel to hear the president of your next union saying he doesn't buy DOH? Your fantasy is over. Sux to be you. Welcome to the new minority.

 

[nycbusdriver]

They asked and were denied. Didn't go to court. Didn't take a tantrum.

Which is exactly what I said, and you accused me of a total fabrication.

There's a word for people like you. It rhymes with Enron.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think the MOU puts everything back in play and simultaneously places everything at risk regarding the SLI. It is no doubt a re-do, to the chagrin of the west. At the same time it nixes DOH. We could end up with something resembling DOH or a reasonable facsimile of the Nic, or something in between.

The process carries undeniable risk - but I like it.

If the SLI gets to arbitration, the resulting list will likely resemble the Nic even if the Nic is not presented, IMHO. It is doubtful that the arbitration panel will place any fences, conditions, or restrictions between east and west US Airways pilots as they will likely view both as one pilot group.

 

[nycbusdriver]

East pilots should pay attention. Things aren't really going your way.

Company attorney clearly states company recognizes Nic.

In a APA update the president shuns DOH.

In our new MOU east gets PBS

FA's vote in a contract which ends pilot/FA co-pairings.

Oh, yeah, you east FO's should start teaching your FA's how to sign themselves into a hotel because when they start flying with west pilots there will be no way in hell that our FO's will be doing that for them.

What difference would "paying attention" make? The die is cast with the ratification of the MOU. We are all along for the ride, although some will insist on flushing their money down the toilet in a hopeless attempt to affect the outcome.

The company took that postion simply because it is the easiest way out for them.

Who cares what the AFA does? (Unless of course, one is a US AFA member, in which case you can voice your concerns on the Flight Attendant thread.)

Yes, the east wil finally get PBS. But I doubt it will resemble the antique version the west loves so much.

Yes, the FAs voted to stop co-pairings. So what?

And finally, yes, we are all aware that the west AFOs are not as polite as the east FOs. That is abundantly clear from eight years of posting here. So, don't sign the FAs in. Do you eve get thirsty on a flight? Do you eve have to pee so bad your eyeballs turn yellow? Good luck with that attitude when you fly with former-east FAs. You will wet your pants, which is probably not that unfamiliar to you anyway.