Feb / Mar 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[ograc]

Delaney thinks it’s "the greatest thing since sliced bread"

If you're referring to the UA TA I'm sure he does. It's got his name all over it. He's the one who must lead "the spin". If it's ratified it will be a feather in his cap. On the other hand... if it's rejected he, the district and the NC will be seen as out of touch with their own members' needs and expectations. Time and the members' vote will tell.

 

[ograc]

I'm going to put the odds at 50/50 on that one. They have made peace with the pilots and F/A's, so one would think that they would try to schmooze us a little bit in order to keep fleet quiet while they close on the merger.

I'm sure US will be reviewing, with heightened interest, the details of the TA reached between IAM DL141 and UA.

 

[T5towbar]

Watch out for the persuasive appeal of a retro check and a pay raise to an employee in a hub city who doesn't need to worry about job protection. We've had subcontracting language voted in for a pay raise and no retro in the past. Communication and discussion is critical. Good Luck.

What pay raise? There are no pay raises in this contract till '16. As far as the retro, it won't be what the sUA people are demanding. And the sCO people won't receive retro but 1 percent for one year. And the pay raise from the IBT contract will be null and void. And the sCO ATW will get a cut.

We outnumber ORD. And the NO votes will speak louder then what some think.

 

[ograc]

What pay raise? There are no pay raises in this contract till '16. As far as the retro, it won't be what the sUA people are demanding. And the sCO people won't receive retro but 1 percent for one year. And the pay raise from the IBT contract will be null and void. And the sCO ATW will get a cut.

We outnumber ORD. And the NO votes will speak louder then what some think.

So you're saying this TA isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread as some seem to think.

 

[T5towbar]

You would be a fool to vote Yes. The first offer isn't the best. If there isn't going to be any pay raises, protect EVERYONE, and keep the line stations off of the "Cinderella" clock. The AGC's stand to make a big pay raise bonus out of this, and Jeff got his pay TRIPLED!

 

[Real tired]

Retro paycuts seem to be the only thing in US's dictionary under Retro.

The retro pay cut.

Thanks for reminding me. I had forgot that one.

OK, now I must consume beverages to forget..........................

 

[ograc]

You would be a fool to vote Yes. The first offer isn't the best. If there isn't going to be any pay raises, protect EVERYONE, and keep the line stations off of the "Cinderella" clock. The AGC's stand to make a big pay raise bonus out of this, and Jeff got his pay TRIPLED!

If there are, in fact, no pay raises then job protection for everyone should be the biggest gain. You're saying this TA provides niether? How is it the AGCs stand to make a big pay raise bonus out of this TA being ratified? Please enlighten.

 

[ograc]

The retro pay cut.

Thanks for reminding me. I had forgot that one.

OK, now I must consume beverages to forget..........................

I think I'll join you. Then I'll need to take my meds and go lay down.

 

[T5towbar]

If there are, in fact, no pay raises then job protection for everyone should be the biggest gain. You're saying this TA provides niether? How is it the AGCs stand to make a big pay raise bonus out of this TA being ratified? Please enlighten.

All this TA does is brings up sUA to pretty much our pay levels. (IMHO: Since WN is barking about expenses and the AA BK, I honestly think that $25.00 or more was very difficult to get) The contract (7 years from 2010-2017) pays sUA some retro from '10 to ratification. IIRC: I think its is 3%; 3%; 3% for the 3 years) Our ATW gets 3% retro since they were in limbo after their election. And we get 1% (even though we were to get a 3% raise in our old IBT contract) The longevity pay is a bit better, but we lose a dollar in the Market Rate cities, so for me, its about a 180.00 a month pay cut. For people not topped out, after the increase in dues, its almost a 200.00 a month cut. So it's really not a pay raise for anybody if you look at this objectively. Its a pay cut for a lot of people. And the job loss will follow, starting with the Ten Percenters; then the larger stations closing and the bump and roll into the hubs.

As far as the AGC's: Please! Do you think that out of that 130,000,000 they won't get something for bringing this crap to us?
You would have to as someone from sUA how do they feel about this, since I'm kinda biased. I want sUA to get their retro - they deserved it - but for rest of us: JOB PROTECTION was the number one thing we wanted in a contract.

This ain't it..........TRY AGAIN!

 

[john john]

The question is will the hubs and larger cities be charmed with the money. If not more cities can/could be added to the protection list. History could repeat it self,Core work in all Classifications protected against contracting out work in DEN, EWR, IAD, IAH, LAX, ORD and SFO with no expiration date Core work in all classifications protected against contracting out In until 12/31/2016 AUS, BOS. BWI, CLE, DCA, DFW, FLL, GUM, HNL, JFK, LAS, LGA, MCO, MSP, MSY, PDX, PHL, PHX, PIT, SAN, SEA, SNA and TPA until

 

[Tim Nelson]

The question is will the hubs and larger cities be charmed with the money. If not more cities can/could be added to the protection list. History could repeat it self,Core work in all Classifications protected against contracting out work in DEN, EWR, IAD, IAH, LAX, ORD and SFO with no expiration date Core work in all classifications protected against contracting out In until 12/31/2016 AUS, BOS. BWI, CLE, DCA, DFW, FLL, GUM, HNL, JFK, LAS, LGA, MCO, MSP, MSY, PDX, PHL, PHX, PIT, SAN, SEA, SNA and TPA until

John John, this IAM has authorized a raid against the IBT/CWA at US AIRWAYS. I'm not sure how anyone upstairs can think about voting for another union on the property that gave away 90% of all station work at US AIRWAYS and gave away profit sharing and gave away everything else. The IAM also has done a cruddy job of taking care of housekeeping matters and 'loose ends' internally. If the IAM proceeds to do quite well raiding upstairs [something I would be surprised about since they don't know how to organize anyways], then I have no problem speaking to folks in any city with your group, and traveling on my own dime, to answer questions and educate folks on the IAM. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

All this TA does is brings up sUA to pretty much our pay levels. (IMHO: Since WN is barking about expenses and the AA BK, I honestly think that $25.00 or more was very difficult to get) The contract (7 years from 2010-2017) pays sUA some retro from '10 to ratification. IIRC: I think its is 3%; 3%; 3% for the 3 years) Our ATW gets 3% retro since they were in limbo after their election. And we get 1% (even though we were to get a 3% raise in our old IBT contract) The longevity pay is a bit better, but we lose a dollar in the Market Rate cities, so for me, its about a 180.00 a month pay cut. For people not topped out, after the increase in dues, its almost a 200.00 a month cut. So it's really not a pay raise for anybody if you look at this objectively. Its a pay cut for a lot of people. And the job loss will follow, starting with the Ten Percenters; then the larger stations closing and the bump and roll into the hubs.

As far as the AGC's: Please! Do you think that out of that 130,000,000 they won't get something for bringing this crap to us?
You would have to as someone from sUA how do they feel about this, since I'm kinda biased. I want sUA to get their retro - they deserved it - but for rest of us: JOB PROTECTION was the number one thing we wanted in a contract.

This ain't it..........TRY AGAIN!

T5, every indication is that ORD and DEN is a big no vote as in BIGTIME. The IAM is on survival mode and brought back this TA in desperation since they continue to lose 3,000 members a month. Now down to 338,000 but the defense department dropped the bomb on them and notified the union that many jobs and classifications in the defense department will be eliminated. Thus, IAM western territory will most likely see a drop of 50,000 more members over the next 24 months. To maintain and increase revenue, the IAM negotiated unlimited part time at UA. Because of its dues structure, a part timer pays same dues as full time. Thus two part timers = $120 month for 8 hours a day, but one full timer = $60 buck a month for the same 8 hours. Never mind that the AGC's are biased with this TA because they get a $20,000 pay raise if this passes and WILL get retro also. regards,

 

[robbedagain]

I have a concern... if there are outstanding grievances such as one that i have against the company that is already more than 3 yrs since i first filed... if there is an election and say a new union takes over... what happens then to grievances such as what i filed

fyi my union shop steward told me yesterday when i asked him point blank about that and he did not have an answer... he told me he did not know and that i should ask an agc like frank...

my shop steward said he believes that bec the twu does not have enough money to get the cards to get an election going... but he thinks that the iam/twu would do a joint thing similar to the afa/cwa

if thats the case what or how would that work and affect us all

 

[john john]

John John, this IAM has authorized a raid against the IBT/CWA at US AIRWAYS.

Yea I know it is a teamster thing tit for tat for the teamster raiding IAM

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yea I know it is a teamster thing tit for tat for the teamster raiding IAM

IAM is in desperation mode. They have no juice to raid anyone. Especially since members like me would be willing to answer questions and enter discussions in any raid.