Feb / Mar 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions
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ChockJockey
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The butchering was done well before AA sat down to the table with US.
ograc
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Mergers have never saved jobs. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. They use fancy terms such as "synergies" or now "harmonizing". Translation: Savings due to potential job elimination.
ChockJockey
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That TA sounds like an insult mate, and that IAM leadership trying to make a shite sandwich look like a turkey dinner seems to be having a crisis of credibility/integrity. I would spit and vote NO.
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The outsourcing on the AA side has already taken place......and likewise with US over a period since the TA
Question is ? ... Will the combined Schedule at some date bring back the AA folks or will the company change a/c type to bigger and eliminate a couple flts to keep it outsourced?....I believe there are a lot of stations that fall into this quagmire.
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Based on US AGC assignments listed on the District 141 website we have 37 inhouse. This info could be stale and not inclusive of the last round of station outsourcing. Inhouse: BDL, BOS, CLT, MHT, MSP, ORD, PVD, DEN, MCO, RDU, SEA, PDX, SFO, SMF, SJC, LAX, ONT, SAN, RNO, LAS, SLC, PHX, BWI, DFW, EWR, LGA, MCI, MSY??, PHL, ATL, DCA, FLL, MIA, PBI, PIT, JAX AND TPA.
I've lost track of how many are outsourced. Sorry.
ChockJockey
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According to the letter from an AGC I read on the union board the IAM is not interested in talking merger until current negotiations are concluded. I hope this is the case.
I'm not convinced people (at least at my station) will simply jump at the money this time. Reason being the successive waves of transfers and furloughs that have been coming in to PHX and integrated into the workgroup over the last few years (with more on the way, I understand). I and many others have heard their stories about what life was like at their former stations, the circumstances under which they were shut out of them, and the difficulties they had getting details and answers from the IAM and the company about all kinds of concerns. These transfers constitute a small but significant (and vocal) percentage of the workforce in PHX now.
I'm not convinced people (at least at my station) will simply jump at the money this time. Reason being the successive waves of transfers and furloughs that have been coming in to PHX and integrated into the workgroup over the last few years (with more on the way, I understand). I and many others have heard their stories about what life was like at their former stations, the circumstances under which they were shut out of them, and the difficulties they had getting details and answers from the IAM and the company about all kinds of concerns. These transfers constitute a small but significant (and vocal) percentage of the workforce in PHX now.
ChockJockey
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Hey Josh, how much money did/do you or your clients expect to lose with this AA/US merger? Lots and lots, I hope.
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I don't imagine there will be any one part of this merger that lacks a political aspect. Where there are people, influence, capital, and loyalties there is politics.
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"Churn" I like it. Another term would be "flush". Anyway... it is exactly what's happening in our industry. What's disturbing is labor is a party to it; by bringing back TAs with outsourcing language that allows the trend to continue. Past labor leaders have got to be rolling in their graves. Labor scratches their heads and wonders why their membership, percentage of represented jobs in the workforce and political influence continues to decline.
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