Every man has his price.

[AMFAinMIAMI]

So wait, Ken is not a LAX AMT. He was up in LAX passing out AMFA cards. So who is the E Brd backing and helping? Ken and AMFA/AMP or the IBT? Either way isn't that self defeating which goes the level of intelligence on the Ruiz run E Brd.

The E-board in LAX is supporting the IBT/TWU..joint venture to discredit AMFA cause a division of cards.

Ken was helping one of the AMFA supporters at LAX. He is a memeber in good standing with Local 564.

 

[Buck]

The E-board in LAX is supporting the IBT/TWU..joint venture to discredit AMFA cause a division of cards.

Ken was helping one of the AMFA supporters at LAX. He is a memeber in good standing with Local 564.

Why does a member of the TWU International, need the locals permission to organize it's removal.

 

[amt66]

A Voice From the Past!

“What does the M&R Negotiating Committee have to deliver to us?”

The maintenance negotiating committee has been talking with the AA since late 2007. After almost 4 years I am wondering what have the local presidents been doing? After a proposed extension in 2008 that would have been amendable in 2011, and a failed TA that would have been amendable May 2013, what do we have in our pockets? With the cost of living increasing each year and the fact we have had no raise, in effect we have taken a pay cut since May 2008. That has hurt a lot of us and some more than others. Lost homes, overdue bills, reduced expectations for our kids’ college plans, and in many cases much worse. The Presidents keep saying the company is stalling but that answer isn’t good enough for me and my family!!!

A lot of us listened to our local presidents and other negotiating representatives when the July 2010 TA came out and voted NO. We trusted them in that they could deliver a better deal with improved job protections, industry leading wages, an intact pension, and retiree medical. Our leadership that told us to vote NO has now had over a year to get us a better deal!!! We all know that deal has yet to come and while yes the company is probably stalling and the Fed’s are not being all that supportive of organized labor shouldn’t they have known this before they told us to vote NO?

So if we had voted yes, what would we have now? Most of us know the things we didn’t like would be in effect.
[indent=1.2]· Retiree medical for those over 50 at DOS would be on the same plan as before. Those of us under 50, well we would have to fund it with sick time instead of pre-funding. Retiree medical did not go away like many of the “Vote No Coalition” had stated incorrectly.[/indent]

[indent=1.2]· The Base would have had more members working weekends.[/indent]

[indent=1.2]· Most holidays would have been reinstated back to pre-2003 except for three and only at double time.[/indent]

[indent=1.2]· A lump sum but only for the Base.[/indent]

There were several good items though that would now be in effect however.

[indent=1.2]· A structural raise that would have taken us to number two in pay[/indent]

[indent=1.2]· A $2.75 Crew Chief Premium[/indent]

[indent=1.2]· A $2.55 Line Premium[/indent]

[indent=1.2]· A $0.50 Weekend Premium[/indent]

[indent=1.2]· Full SK pay for every day you call in sick[/indent]
[indent=1.2]· Two paid personal days[/indent]

One thing that matters to us most is if the July 2010 TA had passed, what would we have in our pockets right now? The answer to that is when you add up the pay raise, lump sum for the base, CC premium, line premium, and holidays the amount is more than most would think.

As of November 2011 – a full eighteen months from when the pay raises would have been in effect – the amount is anywhere from $11,000 for an AMT to nearly $16,000 for a AMT CC!

Now after 18 months of negotiating and the M&R Committee now saying that the last option is to ask for release to strike and what are we to believe? Will the “Vote No Coalition” get us $9,000 to $16,000 we could have had plus the extra they promised us was still on the table?

We all know the Company is in worse financial shape than before, the talks of bankruptcy and AA being hammered by the Wall Street analysts. Now everything hinges on the Pilots getting an agreement with AA with management expecting dramatic changes to their scope, work rules, pensions and retiree medical. And we are waiting on them? This is not a recipe for success.
Think about it- our strategy is to get a release to put pressure on a company that is on the verge of going into restructuring via bankruptcy. So let’s expedite the Company’s decision to file.
Tell your local leaders to quit telling you what you want to hear, break room rhetoric! Have them tell you the truth of where we are as if they were explaining what we are facing – in your kitchen with you, your wife, and your kids. Then tell them to bring you something back that you can make the decision of whether or not it is good enough for the environment we are in. Let’s be honest the window of opportunity to get an agreement is closing.

…………………………………………………………………………

“ Owens, Peterson, Pike, JR, and their supporters”

After we voted NO they said things would change, and they were right, they got worse!

American Filed for Bankruptcy even though Peterson said they never would, and we got screwed.
Now they’re trying to shift the blame on everyone else. Tulsa Ovhl, the other President’s, the TWU, and their supporters claim if we had AMFA, the IBT, or were non-union, things would be much better. The truth tells a different story.

The vote NO group sucked us in, and now we’ll have to pay the price.

They’re typically blaming everyone but themselves but we know who they are, and we won’t forget.

Well said and agree with you 100%!

 

[Overspeed]

Hey dobby,

What about the international attacking the membership?

When you are in a union the union is suppose to support the membership. When the union attacks the membership then the union needs to be replaced because we all know that "change from within" is a lie!

The twu convention is a joke and an insult to democracy.

Hey, this thread could be about you too Kenny. The guy who accepted $3,500 from AA Corp and the ARSA to memorialize the first A&P even though those people are working hard to destroy the AMT profession.

You even posting in this thread is an insult to Charles Taylor's memory sellout.

 

[Dan Cunningham]

To All,

I am sorry that I seem to have taken the mighty pen from Bob's hand with my post. Noticed he hasn't had anything to say in his defense since my post. There are many more things that AMFA supporters have gained over the years at AA, but I just wanted to touch on a few of the majors. Through our concerted efforts since the mid-1990s we had evidenced the twu international's propensity to give themselves double digit pay raises while we languished with the ole standard twu raise of 39-40 cents per year. The laughs I get when sharing many of the old AMFA organizing stories about our own Keystone Kops; Koziatek, Orlando, Kerrigan, Hall, of the old generations of boozers, whoremongers, company protected felons and dopers, and labor charlatans combined with memories of the new twu Batch of Bums (BoB), such as; "Chicken" Jim Little, "Bagsmashin" Joe Gordon, Gary "Tourister" Drummond, Bobby "Not Really a Welder" Gless, and of course, saving the biggest for last, Donny "Free Hams for All" Videtich. I have had a blast becoming the highest paid AMT at AA and will cherish all the memories of the befuddled cowards and punks attempting to help "The Man" undo us Evil AMFA Organizers!

Lets model our new, new twu maintenance locals on the Flight Attendants at SWA. Gollllllyyyy, I wish I'd of come up with that pearl of union activist wisdom. I feel the electicity tinglin my fingertips just typin that idea on this page. Perhaps we can get Thom MacDaniel to head up our separate Flight Attendants Mechanics Locals!! YEAH!! Perhaps we could get Jack mcDaniels to be our spokesperson! That would be in keeping with the fine traditions of the twu!!! You power thinkers figure that one out yet, Bob?

Keep me posted on our new Change From Within initiative. I can hardly wait.

Cheers, Dan Cunningham

 

[Realityck]

Cheers, Dan Cunningham

Are you the Dan Cunningham I've heard about that was elected Local President and then removed for incompetence by your own Executive Board before finishing your first (and last) term in office?

 

[AC Tynker]

Hey, this thread could be about you too Kenny. The guy who accepted $3,500 from AA Corp and the ARSA to memorialize the first A&P even though those people are working hard to destroy the AMT profession.

You even posting in this thread is an insult to Charles Taylor's memory sellout.

So true and the fact that he won't even acknowledge the question of why he accepted the donation or better yet why he didn't return the money after you pointed out what ARSA really was because he didn't do his homework. I'd wager that as much as I see the word "Coward" flow throughout the text of his posts that he may be trying to hide that trait that resides within him. You know the "Call enough people around you one and nobody will suspect you as being one" type tactic.

Oh well like I said before Bad Decisions by him are no longer surprising they are Expected !

 

[TWU informer]

Cheers, Dan Cunningham

Are you the Dan Cunningham I've heard about that was elected Local President and then removed for incompetence by your own Executive Board before finishing your first (and last) term in office?

I thought Dan Cunningham was the one fired for wearing a modifed "TWU - American's Real Strength" t-shirt that listed the 2003 concessions.

Then Lee Seham represent him in arbitration and Dan got his job back and full back pay.

I believe it was also disclosed in that hearing the TWU supporters were the rats that got him fired.

 

[Overspeed]

I thought Dan Cunningham was the one fired for wearing a modifed "TWU - American's Real Strength" t-shirt that listed the 2003 concessions.

Then Lee Seham represent him in arbitration and Dan got his job back and full back pay.

I believe it was also disclosed in that hearing the TWU supporters were the rats that got him fired.

Just to be clear, rats come in all shapes, sizes, and can be union and non-union.

 

[TWU informer]

Just to be clear, rats come in all shapes, sizes, and can be union and non-union.

Not in the Cunningham case!

 

[amt66]

Just to be clear, rats come in all shapes, sizes, and can be union and non-union.

Yes but AA seems to have a large infestation of them!

 

[Realityck]

TWU Informer


Cheers, Dan Cunningham

Are you the Dan Cunningham I've heard about that was elected Local President and then removed for incompetence by your own Executive Board before finishing your first (and last) term in office?


I thought Dan Cunningham was the one fired for wearing a modifed "TWU - American's Real Strength" t-shirt that listed the 2003 concessions.

Dan Cunningham was one and the same. He has a lot of talents, wearing a t-shirt,
being removed from office by his Local Union Officers for incompetence, etc.

 

[Bob Owens]

I do not appreciate anything Bob has done. he has divided the membership more then anyone I know.
Now he is pushing the change from within bullshit. I bet Little promised him a position in the one local concept and now he is pushing it.
This guy is no better then Obama and the rest of the politicians. Bob you misled all your followers are you going to insist they drink your koolaid so you can stay in power, you are pathetic and the members that believe are all ignorant.

Well you can think what you like, thats your right, but for the record I havent been promised anything from Little or anyone else. In fact three weeks ago one International Rep, Tim Gillespie, was saying that I need to resign. Gillespie accused me of putting my name on Lee Sehams writings, he claimed that I wasnt smart enough to have written what I did (my guess is poor Tim was posting under an alias and I made him look stupid). I also heard that one of the Fleet Service Presidents made a motion to remove me, but it didnt get any traction at the time, now he's writing to the IAC because he claims I'm trying to destroy the TWU, Then there's guys like you who say what you say. Well I guess you could call it a miracle but it seems that I was able to get the TWU International and AMFA supporters on the same page, both say I need to resign as President of 562, but I dont hear it from the guys who put me there and for me thats enough.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob,

Why didn't you mention that up front and let all the membership know. I suggested that to some DFW Bootlickin Local folks in front of negotiations, but they, like you, were mute on that topic! Wonder why, Bob, any thoughts why everyone waited till it was all over?

Not true, it was brought up in 2010 when the Fleet guys showed up to bring that back.

I didn't see you nor anyone else getting "Permanently Banned For Life" by the twu, Bob. Wonder why?

I guess we weren't as "Special" as you.

I remember back in '99 or so you and some forward thinkin JFK folks attempted to cut a deal with then twu Prez. Sunny Hall. Remember that one Bob?

Sorry, I dont, go ahead and refresh my memory.

 

[AANOTOK]

I also heard that one of the Fleet Service Presidents made a motion to remove me, but it didnt get any traction at the time, now he's writing to the IAC because he claims I'm trying to destroy the TWU....

....and his position within the International! Bob, I would love for you to drop names. I bet I could
give you three guesses and not count the first two.