Did Lombardo ok this?

Overspeed said:
Nope haven't lost my way. I know full well if I see something wrong I write it up. The similarities I see with both issues is not whether or not the mechanics found something is not where the disagreement lies. It is whether or not deviating from the established check procedures and looking at other things not specifically called out in the procedures rises to the level that the mechanics should have been disciplined. The mechanics in both circumstances have found items that required maintenance action but in management's opinion were not required to be inspected at that time.
 
The AIR21 process will play out at AA like it did at SW. I'll be waiting like all of you to see what happens.
If your the type that searches for written documentation by AA to somehow relieve you of your liabilities as an A&P, then yes, you've lost your way. Our FAA Certificate mandates our duty to provide our skills toward safe flight without boundaries. Discipline to dissuade us from doing so is an adversarial strategy, plain and simple.
On public record there is an example where upper brass attempted to minimize disruption to the operation related to suspected lightning strikes brought by mechanics. The company re-wrote the inspection work card to only be applied if a pilot made entry of lightning strike during flight or mechanic had visual confirmation of a strike to an aircraft. Problem with that is that it is common practice at many airports that personnel are prevented from being outside when lightning is confirmed at a set distance. How would a mechanic visual a lightning strike under these guidelines? Right. Fortunately, what many suspected as "an adversarial strategy" was withdrawn and the written document was corrected.
I for one had hopes that post-BK, the slate would be cleansed and we all could put our efforts toward helpng the company down a successful path of which we could all benefit. Unfortunately, evidenced daily is the appearance that the quality of management toward the workforce has regressed.
 
Overspeed said:
Nope haven't lost my way. I know full well if I see something wrong I write it up. The similarities I see with both issues is not whether or not the mechanics found something is not where the disagreement lies. It is whether or not deviating from the established check procedures and looking at other things not specifically called out in the procedures rises to the level that the mechanics should have been disciplined. The mechanics in both circumstances have found items that required maintenance action but in management's opinion were not required to be inspected at that time.
 
The AIR21 process will play out at AA like it did at SW. I'll be waiting like all of you to see what happens.
Is it filed under the AIR21 act at AA?  Or is it a suit against the company?  There is a difference isn't there?  Good luck guys, hope you get a positive ruling in the mechanics favor...
 
The lawsuit that triggered this thread is separate from the AIR21 complaints filed by the individual AA mechanics. This lawsuit is not about AA's maintenance failures - it's about harassment and intimidation of local 591 leadership in the course of their representation of the mechanics, which, if proven, violate the RLA.
 
Instead of attacking the union and the mechanics involved, how about giving them the benefit of the doubt. Is it beyond belief that they were harassed? Why is it so unbelievable to some?
 
JABORD,
So using the "without boundaries" logic, why not schedule a bird strike inspection because you saw the air has birds in it and you saw them around the aircraft? Or better yet, do a boroscope card because you saw a baggage zipper lying on the ramp and maybe others were sucked in damaging the engine?
 
Overspeed said:
JABORD,
So using the "without boundaries" logic, why not schedule a bird strike inspection because you saw the air has birds in it and you saw them around the aircraft? Or better yet, do a boroscope card because you saw a baggage zipper lying on the ramp and maybe others were sucked in damaging the engine?
Not really, but I did forget who I was having this discussion with. Your quite good at skewing the interpretation of many posts. The boundaries reference is more to the point that we should have no limitations pressed upon us when we do our job. Your analogy has nothing to do with what I stated. Let me remind you that the case that was just ruled in favor for a SWA mechanic and what we anticipate will be the same for the AA mechanics were findings of safety of flight discrepancies that were written up and confirmed to be valid enough to require A/C to be removed from service. The abuses being claimed against management of the companies was when the individuals were called into conference days after and threatened with disciplinary actions.
 
JABORD,
The judge forced a settlement. The issue in the AIR21 was one of harassment. In respect to the mechanic who found the discrepancies good job. The allegations, as it has been explained to me by Mishak was that the ORD mechs believed they witnessed lightning strike the aircraft. He said he didn't know if there was damage found from lightning strikes. The complaint will take care of itself. I am anxiously awaiting the outcome.

The lawsuit has to do with union officials allegedly being blocked from representing us. If that's the case was a lawsuit the way to go? What about the DOL OLMS? Before spending a boat load of dues shouldn't they have filed a complaint with them first?
 
Overspeed said:
JABORD,
The judge forced a settlement. The issue in the AIR21 was one of harassment. In respect to the mechanic who found the discrepancies good job. The allegations, as it has been explained to me by Mishak was that the ORD mechs believed they witnessed lightning strike the aircraft. He said he didn't know if there was damage found from lightning strikes. The complaint will take care of itself. I am anxiously awaiting the outcome.

The lawsuit has to do with union officials allegedly being blocked from representing us. If that's the case was a lawsuit the way to go? What about the DOL OLMS? Before spending a boat load of dues shouldn't they have filed a complaint with them first?
So you and your V.P. discussed and agreed that you don't really have facts yet you throw it out here providing some disinformation to read. Good job.
I can only speak for the station I'm familiar with. Multiple aggressions by Management were iniated by write-ups of discrepencies found. Of dozens of reported findings, I believe audits found every one to be legit.
 
JABORD,
Again, the AIR21 will resolve the safety issues and if management over reached. Kind of disturbing that in the past no one, no mechanic has ever initiated a lightning strike inspection in ORD or other stations that anyone has ever heard of. Are all the aircraft that did not receive inspections in the past, present, or future unsafe after lightning events. If this is a new procedure that when you have lightning in the vicinity of the airport then MIA should be cranking them out left and right during the summer. Are these few mechanics now aware of a new requirement that they never did before even though there has been no change in the GPM, FARs, or OEM maintenance program. Will they continue with this new criteria as a trigger for a lightning strike inspection? Are other mechanics who do not follow their interpretation of when to do this inspection now not doing their job?
 
The lawsuit allegations also lay out a misguided claim as well by the local. When referring to the 777 BC moving from DFW to MIA the claim is that DFW does the job correctly and were punished when the BC was moved to MIA. It looks like GP threw the MIA members under the bus. Is the allegation that the 777 BC is now done incorrectly and is therefore producing unsafe aircraft? What about JFK? They are doing the 767 BC with the same inspection changes but no reference to that BC being unsafe or incorrectly? What gives?
 
The lawsuit and AIR21 case on the surface seem to have a rough road ahead. Either the allegations are true and all the rest of us are doing things wrong or the issue is blown out of proportion.
 
American thinks a lawsuit over maintenance practices is more a union-union battle than a mechanics-management battle.
Transport Workers Union Local 591 filed a lawsuit in January alleging that American was pressuring workers to send out airplanes that need repairs and are unsafe. AA executive vice president Steve John agreed with an analyst who called the lawsuit “frivolous.”
“This lawsuit is really I think more a effort to get media attention than it is to pursue a real legal initiative and we expect that the lawsuit will be dismissed in due course,” Johnson said.
“And while the motives of this guy, Gary Peterson, who is leading this charge are a little confusing, I think it has a lot more to do with his fight for a place in his union or to lead the team of people to a different union,” Johnson said.
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/02/we-meant-to-tell-you-other-tidbits-from-the-american-airlines-earnings-call.html/
 
WHEN this association happens, it looks as if the association is marginalizing GP by not having as part of negotiations and AA is marginalizing GP by not communicating with 591. How long before the twu closes 591 and puts mechs back with ramp locals.
 
Duke787 said:
WHEN this association happens, it looks as if the association is marginalizing GP by not having as part of negotiations and AA is marginalizing GP by not communicating with 591. How long before the twu closes 591 and puts mechs back with ramp locals.
Who says GP won't be part of negotiations? 
As far as putting mechanics back with ramp locals,,,,,I don't think that would sit well with mechanics both PRO and ANTI TWU...
 
MetalMover said:
Who says GP won't be part of negotiations? 
As far as putting mechanics back with ramp locals,,,,,I don't think that would sit well with mechanics both PRO and ANTI TWU...
It didn't sit well when the twu closed our line local, I don't think it matters to the twu what we think.
 
Prediction : the association is already negotiating a contract and when the NMB comes down and says the association is our union, the association will have a very good TA waiting for us before we have a chance to get all upset.
 

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