Did Lombardo ok this?

[WNMECH]

All the denial of summary judgment does is allow the complaint to go forward. SWA had asked that it be dismissed without a hearing and it was not. It was deemed to have merit worth going forward. That is all. Summary judgments are always asked for, but not normally awarded unless the complaint is frivolous on its face.

There is another link posted on the AMFA11 website along with these two links.

It is an acceptance of a settlement offered by SWA to the complainant.
It is signed a week after the summary judgment and by the same judge.

The summary judgment not to dismiss the case, apparently brought about the settlement.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Thanks. No details at all in the order.

I am sure there is a non-disclosure written in the settlement.

It is interesting that this is a successful precedent to the AA suit.

 

[Realityck]

Thanks. No details at all in the order.

I am sure there is a non-disclosure written in the settlement.

It is interesting that this is a successful precedent to the AA suit.

 
 
 
I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. Swamt said that there would be a decision by a Federal Judge supporting the RLA Lawsuit brought in Federal Court in Chicago. This is a decision by an Administrative Law Judge, not a Federal Court Judge, which specifically says it has nothing to do with the RLA. It interprets AIR 21 and doesn’t even say SWA was in violation. It just says that the complainant is covered by that Act.

 

[swamt]

 
 
 
My opinion:  
 





This is a joke. This is not a federal court decision, does not interpret the RLA, and doesn’t even sustain the Complaint.
 





 

Are you a freakin moron???  You think this is a JOKE???  Really???  I don't give two shites about interpret RLA.  Never have I said anything about RLA, and for the above case I don't care about RLA. This was a win for the mechanics at SWA, as well as in our industry.   Your AA representatives filed at AA because of the end results of the above case listed.  If you do not think these are related then you really are a moron.  The FAA is still investigating, it is not completely over with yet (at SWA) there will be more to come...

 

[FWAAA]

This thread is like watching a bunch of monkeys try to EFF a football.

A whole lot of people who don't know thing one about what they write.

 

[swamt]

 
 
 
I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. Swamt said that there would be a decision by a Federal Judge supporting the RLA Lawsuit brought in Federal Court in Chicago. This is a decision by an Administrative Law Judge, not a Federal Court Judge, which specifically says it has nothing to do with the RLA. It interprets AIR 21 and doesn’t even say SWA was in violation. It just says that the complainant is covered by that Act.

I never said a Federal Judges decision would support the RLA suit, period.  What I said was this final decision that did come out of the courts, is why your representatives filed over at AA.  They liked what they heard was said.  Rather there is an AIR21 filed or a suit, these two incidences are related and the outcome (thus far) is far more better, than a return decision to throw it out...

 

[MetalMover]

Are you a freakin moron???  You think this is a JOKE???  Really???  I don't give two shites about interpret RLA.  Never have I said anything about RLA, and for the above case I don't care about RLA. This was a win for the mechanics at SWA, as well as in our industry.   Your AA representatives filed at AA because of the end results of the above case listed.  If you do not think these are related then you really are a moron.  The FAA is still investigating, it is not completely over with yet (at SWA) there will be more to come...

Let's not forget the historical fine of the past.

 

[WNMECH]

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. Swamt said that there would be a decision by a Federal Judge supporting the RLA Lawsuit brought in Federal Court in Chicago. This is a decision by an Administrative Law Judge, not a Federal Court Judge, which specifically says it has nothing to do with the RLA. It interprets AIR 21 and doesn’t even say SWA was in violation. It just says that the complainant is covered by that Act.

Glenn's response was to me regarding this settlement of one AIR21 complaint.

http://amfa11.com/file_cabinet/SWA_Drawer/AIR21/AIR21%20Hall%20vs.%20Southwest%202014-AIR-00025%20ALJ%20Ruling.pdf

It has nothing to do with any FFA investigations at SWA or AA.
It has nothing to do with any RLA lawsuits.

 

[Realityck]

Are you a freakin moron???  You think this is a JOKE???  Really???  I don't give two shites about interpret RLA.  Never have I said anything about RLA, and for the above case I don't care about RLA. This was a win for the mechanics at SWA, as well as in our industry.   Your AA representatives filed at AA because of the end results of the above case listed.  If you do not think these are related then you really are a moron.  The FAA is still investigating, it is not completely over with yet (at SWA) there will be more to come...

 
 
 
Quite a classy response. You stated this was a decision that supported the Lawsuit in Chicago. This was a decision by an Administrative Law Judge not a Federal Court, and it dealt with Air 21, not the RLA. How it can support the case in Chicago which alleges a violation of the RLA is beyond me. 

 

[DallasConehead]

This thread is like watching a bunch of monkeys try to EFF a football.

A whole lot of people who don't know thing one about what they write.

This^^^^^^

 

[TWU informer]

This thread is like watching a bunch of monkeys try to EFF a football.

A whole lot of people who don't know thing one about what they write.

 
I think this is very true.
And not only this thread, but all threads here.
 
And to take one step further....
 
Society in general is the same primates in action vision, as most people are connected to the negativity and conerns of the world and of the flesh instead that which really matters!!! This connection is the source of all the drama and negativity that we have been trained to expect as "NORMAL"......So fear and anxiety dominate all discussions..... think about it

 

[Bob Owens]

Ask the afw mechanics about why they couldn't go to Dfw and dwh . Peterson prevented becaus he had issues with Larry pike and that's why some Dallas mechanics are commuting

The fact is the contract didn't allow for it. The agreement says you bump outside your station according to the Juniority system. Peterson would have had to agree to violate the agreement in a way that harmed his members. AFW would in effect be able to bump where they wanted to go while the people they displaced would have to abide by the Juniority system as outlined in the agreement and go where the Junior man was. I don't think the decision was based on personality. I think very highly of Larry but I think Gary made the only decision he could, I would have made the same decision. Blame the "juniority system" we agreed to. 
 
It is my understanding that AFW had the opportunity to put in to be a single station with DFW for nearly 20 years but chose not to because the guys at AFW who had weekends and Holidays off did not want DFW guys to be able to bump them to the line with 24/7 shift work. Guys at AFW with less seniority than guys at DFW enjoyed SS off while more senior guys at DFW worked nights, weekends and Holidays. 
 
So if AFW never sought single station status with DFW in 20 years (and vice versa) how could Peterson, as the elected representative from Dallas then decide to a one time change to accommodate AFW workers in direct violation of the agreement?
 
PHL which is a very senior station and EWR are fairly close, many of the guys in PHL live in New Jersey, but when PHL was hit with layoffs they could not exercise their seniority and bump EWR. Instead they ended up all over the country. Thats the unfortunate reality of the agreement we have had and its been that way for as long as I've been here. We were bought off by the $12500 and now thats gone but the concessionary Juniority List remains. 
 
The fix is to do away with the Juniority list altogether and allow us to exercise our seniority in the event of a RIF. I believe Peterson and Pike would both favor going to a real seniority based layoff bumping procedure where in a RIF you go wherever your seniority takes you, not where the most junior guy in the system is.  
 
Put that in as a contract proposal. Should be easy as I believe US has it already.

 

[Realityck]

The fact is the contract didn't allow for it. The agreement says you bump outside your station according to the Juniority system. Peterson would have had to agree to violate the agreement in a way that harmed his members. AFW would in effect be able to bump where they wanted to go while the people they displaced would have to abide by the Juniority system as outlined in the agreement and go where the Junior man was. I don't think the decision was based on personality. I think very highly of Larry but I think Gary made the only decision he could, I would have made the same decision. Blame the "juniority system" we agreed to. 
 
It is my understanding that AFW had the opportunity to put in to be a single station with DFW for nearly 20 years but chose not to because the guys at AFW who had weekends and Holidays off did not want DFW guys to be able to bump them to the line with 24/7 shift work. Guys at AFW with less seniority than guys at DFW enjoyed SS off while more senior guys at DFW worked nights, weekends and Holidays. 
 
So if AFW never sought single station status with DFW in 20 years (and vice versa) how could Peterson, as the elected representative from Dallas then decide to a one time change to accommodate AFW workers in direct violation of the agreement?
 
PHL which is a very senior station and EWR are fairly close, many of the guys in PHL live in New Jersey, but when PHL was hit with layoffs they could not exercise their seniority and bump EWR. Instead they ended up all over the country. Thats the unfortunate reality of the agreement we have had and its been that way for as long as I've been here. We were bought off by the $12500 and now thats gone but the concessionary Juniority List remains. 
 
The fix is to do away with the Juniority list altogether and allow us to exercise our seniority in the event of a RIF. I believe Peterson and Pike would both favor going to a real seniority based layoff bumping procedure where in a RIF you go wherever your seniority takes you, not where the most junior guy in the system is.  
 
Put that in as a contract proposal. Should be easy as I believe US has it already.

 
 
 
To my knowledge, the bumping procedure you suggest has never been proposed for negotiations. The obstacle might be the members themselves since it would expose AMT’s who are not among the most junior in the system, or who’s station is not itself affected by the layoff, to be displaced & trigger subsequent displacements unless it was capped in some fashion. The $12,500 relocation allowance available to system protected employees had nothing to do with the current RIF language.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

One of my managers once said:   
 
"Seniority's great.......unless you ain't got any!"

 

[Bob Owens]

 
 
 
To my knowledge, the bumping procedure you suggest has never been proposed for negotiations. The obstacle might be the members themselves since it would expose AMT’s who are not among the most junior in the system, or who’s station is not itself affected by the layoff, to be displaced & trigger subsequent displacements unless it was capped in some fashion. The $12,500 relocation allowance available to system protected employees had nothing to do with the current RIF language.

Ok so we got nothing for that concession. So you are saying that a senior man should not be allowed to go where ever his seniority takes him in a RIF situation. OK that says a lot about your ideas as far as Seniority rights. (By the way thats the company's BS argument. Fits right in there with all the reasons why there should be no minimum wage etc etc). The number one purpose of seniority is job protection. 
 
"Subsequent displacements" serve to discourage layoffs in the first place. It makes it more costly for the company.  The old AA may have been less trigger happy but as we saw with yesterdays headcount changes the new boys in town have no issue with displacing people just to see if it works out.