Democracy In Action

[Duke787]

I don't use insults....I call a spade a spade.

The fools in the TWU were FOOLED by the TWU in 2003, but are aware of the scams and schemes by INTL cronies rubbing elbows with management to bamboozle the people within the union in order to protect their own interests. The other type defends the actions of the TWU because you're sold on the idea that it's ok to sit at work and play with your laptop, provide very little output, and go to HR because someone calls a spade, a spade. Then, listens to the president of the local parade around and tell You and Me that "if I want a raise, go work at walmart", and "stop complaining because all you do is play with your laptop and make $33 an hour". Is that the union you feel proud of belonging to and are ready to defend???? Duke, how many local officers have taken positions within the INTL or Management? Let me name a few....Don Videtich local 565, Bob Gless local 562, Glen Harmon local 512, Don Hahn local 512, just to name a few. Any others???? What does that tell you about our great union?

You talk about the going rate for Machinists in the Tulsa area, as compared to what a TWU machinist pay rate? How about a Line AMT pay rate as compared to other Line AMT's.....SWA, UPS, Fed Ex? Why isn't the TWU fighting to get YOU and ME those rates???? I'll tell you why, and it's in the TWU slogan "A mechanic is a mechanic" whether it's an AMT, Plant, Auto, Facilities. That's the industrial way of thinking. It must also be your way of thinking because you're obviously content about your job, lower pay rate, and higher out-of-pocket expenses. Keep defending the TWU!!!!!

I said if you know of a better paying job with benefits and you stay at AA you are a fool..........All that other stuff was concocted by you and buck. I personally would rather be at a non-union shop like Delta or Fedex, but I like the benefits and wide choices of stations I can work at. The TWU is a huge union with many different company's and industry's, it's not perfect by any stretch.

But like I said, you COMPLAIN about Gilboy, but you didn't do anything about it when you had the chance. You have another chance in December, let see if you are all talk or if are you a man of action.

 

[Duke787]

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The pay rate for OH is $27.20 plus license(s) pay plus benefits.



You see you cannot even distinguish between the TWU and AA. I never stated that I hate the company. Do not suggest that I give up my right to free speech, I would not ask this of you. IGM Brother? Do you believe that the line should receive more pay than OH?

I say AA and the TWU, because you have to join the TWU to work at AA. You see it's a closed shop.

Yes, I believe line mechs should make $43 an hour like SWA, because that is the market rate. The market rate for a OH mech is $26 an hour they even have to work weekends. I have no idea what the market rate for a machinist is.

 

[Buck]

First of all, thank you for pointing out my spelling error.

Second of all, if you complain about AA and the TWU, while you know of a better paying job with benefits (that will hire you), and you stay at AA being miserable. You are a fool..........

I am not miserable being at AA. I am miserable with the TWU continually belittling the craft and class of the A&P mechanic through industrial unionism.

No I do not know of any employer who would pay better with benefits. But I should not have to. If I pay the TWU every two weeks I should expect some kind of results. Not continually degrading my profession to make my job the same as every other, in pay and benefits.

 

[Buck]

I say AA and the TWU, because you have to join the TWU to work at AA. You see it's a closed shop.

Yes, I believe line mechs should make $43 an hour like SWA, because that is the market rate. The market rate for a OH mech is $26 an hour they even have to work weekends. I have no idea what the market rate for a machinist is.

I understand what a closed shop is. But why should I be forced to join? I know that I can go AGENCY FEE and recover those dues that are spent on the political corruptness of the TWU.

I believe the SWA mechanic earns $43 an hour wherever they work, whether it is the line or the limited OH they perform. Unlike the TWU whose goal is only to garner as many bodies as it can, to keep the dues machine flowing.

If it is okay to work weekends, then why does the TWU fight more to prevent 7-day coverage, than for the betterment of it's members? If only 1/7 can work this type of schedule, then how are the 7-day coverage employees supposed to have the support to do their jobs?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I did get mine and so did you. A defined benefit pension plan, healthcare, and a rate of pay significantly higher than the median income. Where else can you work with a flexible CS program, unlimited OT, and an internet cafe in every ready room? Did you enjoy your gravy? Mmmmm...tasty isn't it?

Don/Bob,

You point out things that can be taken away over night. O/T? Oh, thank you so much for the opportunity to work more hours (which equate to less time at home) to make up what jim little gave the company and the company continues to keep. Flexible CS? That too can be taken away over night. Internet cafe? Again, was this negotiated by the twu? Gravy? There sure is gravy but it isn't the type you're thinking about. It's the type you get when you become unaccountable and never take pay cuts and have the stones to tell those who do take pay cuts and have to work the o/t to make ends meet to lower their expectations. Tasty isn't it?

 

[Buck]

You point out things that can be taken away over night. O/T? Oh, thank you so much for the opportunity to work more hours (which equate to less time at home)

TWU Comments​

FAR 121.377 Duty Time Limits page 3, para. 3 ​

TWU also urges the Agency to recognize that a change in the regulation will have a significant impact on mechanics. With recent reductions in compensation, many mechanics depend on extra income from additional work assignments; and with contraction of the industry and reduction of maintenance work at certain locations, many mechanics are working away from their homes. It is important for the mechanics and their families for the mechanics to have the ability to make up for reduced pay rates with compensation from extra work(OT) and to be able to arrange their work schedules so that they are able to spend as much time with their families as is possible. Existing practices that allow employees to schedule their work to maximize time at home should not be disturbed unless there is a real basis for concern that such schedules actually present a fatigue problem.

 

[strikeforce]

I said if you know of a better paying job with benefits and you stay at AA you are a fool..........All that other stuff was concocted by you and buck. I personally would rather be at a non-union shop like Delta or Fedex, but I like the benefits and wide choices of stations I can work at. The TWU is a huge union with many different company's and industry's, it's not perfect by any stretch.

But like I said, you COMPLAIN about Gilboy, but you didn't do anything about it when you had the chance. You have another chance in December, let see if you are all talk or if are you a man of action.

I didn't concoct anything. I told you my opinion of the local and INTL union leadership, and how it tolerates unprofessionalism, laziness and cry babies. Real unions don't expect or tolerate childish behavior. You can't dispute the fact that within our ranks there are grown men that act like children around co-workers, management and customers. You sit there and defend Gilboy and the TWU.....therefore, you too accept and tolerate this childish behavior. This behavior has a negative affect on all members and it definitely doesn't help US when we approach management for more money in negotiations.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'm not interested in affiliating myself with a labor organization that tolerates and accepts unprofessional and childish behavior, and one that's self-serving. In addition, I don't have the same philosphy as the TWU leadership, where dues outweigh pay & benefits. Therefore, I have no interest in running in November, but I will continue to make sure that my leaders represent me and not the company.

I'm a man of action, and I'm actively involved in preaching to the membership to de-certify the TWU, and sign an AMP card. AMP will provide CHANGE!!!!! Right now, change is good!!!!!

 

[Overspeed]

I didn't concoct anything. I told you my opinion of the local and INTL union leadership, and how it tolerates unprofessionalism, laziness and cry babies. Real unions don't expect or tolerate childish behavior. You can't dispute the fact that within our ranks there are grown men that act like children around co-workers, management and customers. You sit there and defend Gilboy and the TWU.....therefore, you too accept and tolerate this childish behavior. This behavior has a negative affect on all members and it definitely doesn't help US when we approach management for more money in negotiations.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'm not interested in affiliating myself with a labor organization that tolerates and accepts unprofessional and childish behavior, and one that's self-serving. In addition, I don't have the same philosphy as the TWU leadership, where dues outweigh pay & benefits. Therefore, I have no interest in running in November, but I will continue to make sure that my leaders represent me and not the company.

I'm a man of action, and I'm actively involved in preaching to the membership to de-certify the TWU, and sign an AMP card. AMP will provide CHANGE!!!!! Right now, change is good!!!!!

It's not the Int'l tolerating the unprofessional people you speak of. Ask your Presidents why they did not support the AMT professional standards article for the TA? Could it be they were worried about losing votes for the next election? AMP going to fix the weak Local President issue? Doubt it. They will flip flop like before and back AMP when they get in charge. Every think that union officer elections are like running for student council president?

 

[Buck]

It's not the Int'l tolerating the unprofessional people you speak of. Ask your Presidents why they did not support the AMT professional standards article for the TA? Could it be they were worried about losing votes for the next election? AMP going to fix the weak Local President issue? Doubt it. They will flip flop like before and back AMP when they get in charge. Every think that union officer elections are like running for student council president?

They will flip flop like before and back AMP when they get in charge.

Explain?

Are you saying that AMP will be in charge?

 

[strikeforce]

It's not the Int'l tolerating the unprofessional people you speak of. Ask your Presidents why they did not support the AMT professional standards article for the TA? Could it be they were worried about losing votes for the next election? AMP going to fix the weak Local President issue? Doubt it. They will flip flop like before and back AMP when they get in charge. Every think that union officer elections are like running for student council president?

The INTL leaders can care less if the members act appropriately or not. It definitely benefits the INTL if the members feel helpless because ultimately the members will accept whatever the INTL union provides them. After 9 years of brutal concessions, that's exactly what the INTL expected the members to do with the failed T/A. Too bad for Little & Co. that WE are a lot smarter and won't fall for their underhanded tricks anymore.

Oh, so the company wanted professional standards, although management doesn't keep people accountable for their actions. Elaborate on what professional standards means when applied to AA?? Here's my professional standards.....Do your job VERBATIM....look professional....treat others with RESPECT....WORK SAFE!!!! Is this too much to ask????

We do have a weak president at ORD, and one that's self-serving. Gilboy was in favor of the failed T/A. Why? Could it be that he would be the beneficiary of the retiree medical split between age groups.

Hey, AMP organizers and leaders will be on the hot seat too. They go around and preach that thier organization will mirror the pilots, then I expect the leaders to run the organization like the pilots. That means all aspects of the pilots organization. Keeping people accountable is a must! The only way is to educate the members, and holding the members to high standards, and weeding out the rift raft.

Local union officer elections are popularity contests. I don't ever remember in my 20+ years.. voting for or against Jim Little for INTL President. How about Videtich, Gless, Drummond, Sonny Hall, Kosiatek, Conley, Gordon, Burchette, Yingst....did I miss any???? Oh, that's right I don't get the priviledge of attending the Convention, as a member in good standing!!!

Can someone ask the pilots union if their members elect the INTL officers? How about the F/A's??? Can someone from these groups please chime in????

 

[Duke787]

The INTL leaders can care less if the members act appropriately or not. It definitely benefits the INTL if the members feel helpless because ultimately the members will accept whatever the INTL union provides them. After 9 years of brutal concessions, that's exactly what the INTL expected the members to do with the failed T/A. Too bad for Little & Co. that WE are a lot smarter and won't fall for their underhanded tricks anymore.

Oh, so the company wanted professional standards, although management doesn't keep people accountable for their actions. Elaborate on what professional standards means when applied to AA?? Here's my professional standards.....Do your job VERBATIM....look professional....treat others with RESPECT....WORK SAFE!!!! Is this too much to ask????

We do have a weak president at ORD, and one that's self-serving. Gilboy was in favor of the failed T/A. Why? Could it be that he would be the beneficiary of the retiree medical split between age groups.

Hey, AMP organizers and leaders will be on the hot seat too. They go around and preach that thier organization will mirror the pilots, then I expect the leaders to run the organization like the pilots. That means all aspects of the pilots organization. Keeping people accountable is a must! The only way is to educate the members, and holding the members to high standards, and weeding out the rift raft.

Local union officer elections are popularity contests. I don't ever remember in my 20+ years.. voting for or against Jim Little for INTL President. How about Videtich, Gless, Drummond, Sonny Hall, Kosiatek, Conley, Gordon, Burchette, Yingst....did I miss any???? Oh, that's right I don't get the priviledge of attending the Convention, as a member in good standing!!!

Can someone ask the pilots union if their members elect the INTL officers? How about the F/A's??? Can someone from these groups please chime in????

First, Gilboy did NOT recommend the TA, I asked him if the local was pushing for a yes vote, he stated "here is the information, and you can make your own decision."

As far as the international goes, I doubt there is any conspiracy to keep our wages low by the TWU or for the TWU to keep a lessor quality mech on the payroll.

There is nothing in the TWU constitution for disciplining it's own members for poor job performance (which management should be doing). Some of our worst employees are crew chiefs working closely with
management.

My question for strikeforce or Ken is. Is there anything in the AMP constitution to discipline the membership for poor job performance, professional standards, or any other form of being a poor representation of our craft like pencil whipping, sleeping on duty, not wearing the uniform as it should be worn, inappropriate drawings on safety vest....etc

an article or section reference would be good, so we all can read it ourselves. Thank you.

 

[Observer]

First, Gilboy did NOT recommend the TA, I asked him if the local was pushing for a yes vote, he stated "here is the information, and you can make your own decision."

As far as the international goes, I doubt there is any conspiracy to keep our wages low by the TWU or for the TWU to keep a lessor quality mech on the payroll.

There is nothing in the TWU constitution for disciplining it's own members for poor job performance (which management should be doing). Some of our worst employees are crew chiefs working closely with
management.

My question for strikeforce or Ken is. Is there anything in the AMP constitution to discipline the membership for poor job performance, professional standards, or any other form of being a poor representation of our craft like pencil whipping, sleeping on duty, not wearing the uniform as it should be worn, inappropriate drawings on safety vest....etc

an article or section reference would be good, so we all can read it ourselves. Thank you.

 

[Vortilon]

I did get mine and so did you. A defined benefit pension plan, healthcare, and a rate of pay significantly higher than the median income. Where else can you work with a flexible CS program, unlimited OT, and an internet cafe in every ready room? Did you enjo gave it awayy your gravy? Mmmmm...tasty isn't it?

We all know you got yours. As far as the rest of us AMTs & related...... well, we HAD ours; until your hero, Jim Little gave it all away. There is nothing that great, or out of the ordinary with any of the items you listed. Unlimited OT, check with some of the class two stations about that. Here is the deal, we don't need a union rep, that uses your logic, negotiating on our behalf.

It's pretty clear you're nothing but a TROLL on this BB.

 

[odie01]

My question for strikeforce or Ken is. Is there anything in the AMP constitution to discipline the membership for poor job performance, professional standards, or any other form of being a poor representation of our craft like pencil whipping, sleeping on duty, not wearing the uniform as it should be worn, inappropriate drawings on safety vest....etc

an article or section reference would be good, so we all can read it ourselves. Thank you.

Hey you big baby, why don't you read the constitution yourself, and after that, have mommy make you a bowl of ice cream.

http://www.ampnational.org/

 

[Duke787]

Hey you big baby, why don't you read the constitution yourself, and after that, have mommy make you a bowl of ice cream.

http://www.ampnational.org/

odie, I didn't realize I was outing you as an unsat mech...................I just wanted strikeforce to justify his discipline stance within AMP.