Democracy In Action

[GoodTimeBob]

Oh wow. The flip flopper turns on one of his heroes of negotiations? Really. That was a the best flip flop yet! 1080 twisting somersault with a full pike position. Thanks Ken for showing your true colors! You stand up for something or someone up until they counter you. Then they are liars. You win the IGM'er award of the month and a Payday candy bar! Congratulations!

Gary is another IGM'er. You guys must have been two peas in a pod!

Like JR said, if the guy was interested in management do you really want him negotiating your contract. How do we as members know he won't be sharing that info with his former senior AA management spouse. Talk about a security leak. You really want that? Ken, now who is the gullible one? Can you even spell the word credibility Ken?

Have a nice day Chuck/Bob/Gary!

Underspeed you speak of management interview, so what. Lorenzi is always boasting about how management wants him. That is the same guy, is it not that supports Keith correct? I think that translates to being too cozy with management versus an actual interview if indeed such a thing actually happened. JR is as confused as you in his letter of support he claims that his first choice was Gary Schaible and then rambles on with him finally supporting Keith. The confusion lies in that if he supports Gary Schaible why would he come out after the letter of support from Gary Schaible in his support of Peterson and go against who Gary believes to be the best candidate for the job. I can only hope for the membership in its entirety that he does not exhibit that type bewilderment at negotiations.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Which is a worse choice for a local president? A: someone married (supposedly) to former AA senior management. or B: someone beholden to a TWU intl. officer with aspirations of a intl. position. If you have to think about it there is something wrong with the Intl. If strong presidents with no intl. dreams were in office at all the locals, we would not have such a mess. This means you Mr. Overspeed. Or should I say Phat Don?

It's amazing how a former Facility Maintenance Supervisor suddenly became a senior level management. If she was senior level, he wouldn't be working. But hey, running-out-of-speed doesn't need facts now does he.

Should we talk about some of team twu's indiscretions Mr. running-out-of speed? Where should we start????Hmmmmm

 

[Tex-Mech]

I would like to know why local 567 is involved in another locals business?

Do you still have a copy of the transcript for posting here, and pictures of our leaders(losers) from there team bubba days. The one with the coffin is priceless.

 

[comatose]

It's amazing how a former Facility Maintenance Supervisor suddenly became a senior level management. If she was senior level, he wouldn't be working. But hey, running-out-of-speed doesn't need facts now does he.

Should we talk about some of team twu's indiscretions Mr. running-out-of speed? Where should we start????Hmmmmm

Lets start with women.

 

[Overspeed]

Which is a worse choice for a local president? A: someone married (supposedly) to former AA senior management. or B: someone beholden to a TWU intl. officer with aspirations of a intl. position. If you have to think about it there is something wrong with the Intl. If strong presidents with no intl. dreams were in office at all the locals, we would not have such a mess. This means you Mr. Overspeed. Or should I say Phat Don?

No thinking required. I would choose the one who stuck by their convictions. That would be Don and Keith, not Gary.

Here is a question for you, is your criteria for local President not wanting to move up and represent their members or all union members the best they can? Then our union will be a mess, or any union that uses your theory.

Nope, not Don. Keep guessing. I am bigger than a bread box. And for your information, Don wouldn't post on blogs but he would come around to your station, in fact every station's break rooms, ready rooms or GMMs. Why doesn't he, well he has this little thing called negotiations and those executive boards that backed a no vote probably are afraid of Don calling them on their misinformation and spin doctoring. Easier to spread falsehoods when you don't have anyone their to challenge you or face you when you tell stories. Why not ask Gary S, Gary P, Bob Owens, Ken M, and the others that talk smack to call Don on the carpet in front of you. They won't because they don't have the guts. Call the hall and say you want these so-called leaders who blame the Int'l to request that Don be brought out to your station to meet with the people. They local probably won't return your call.

 

[GoodTimeBob]

Lets start with women.

Which one do you speak of?

 

[Overspeed]

It's amazing how a former Facility Maintenance Supervisor suddenly became a senior level management. If she was senior level, he wouldn't be working. But hey, running-out-of-speed doesn't need facts now does he.

Should we talk about some of team twu's indiscretions Mr. running-out-of speed? Where should we start????Hmmmmm

Yeah sure. Bring it!

 

[Tex-Mech]

No thinking required. I would choose the one who stuck by their convictions. That would be Don and Keith, not Gary.

Here is a question for you, is your criteria for local President not wanting to move up and represent their members or all union members the best they can? Then our union will be a mess, or any union that uses your theory.

Nice to know that the word convictions has been expanded to include those who sellout in exchange for a cushy $180K job plus perks. Now we have had a few international and team twuers that actually did have "convictions", but thats another story.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Yeah sure. Bring it!

We can start with international or local your choice? I'll let you sober up and make your choice before your beer muscles get you in trouble.

 

[GoodTimeBob]

No thinking required. I would choose the one who stuck by their convictions. That would be Don and Keith, not Gary.

Here is a question for you, is your criteria for local President not wanting to move up and represent their members or all union members the best they can? Then our union will be a mess, or any union that uses your theory.

Nope, not Don. Keep guessing. I am bigger than a bread box. And for your information, Don wouldn't post on blogs but he would come around to your station, in fact every station's break rooms, ready rooms or GMMs. Why doesn't he, well he has this little thing called negotiations and those executive boards that backed a no vote probably are afraid of Don calling them on their misinformation and spin doctoring. Easier to spread falsehoods when you don't have anyone their to challenge you or face you when you tell stories. Why not ask Gary S, Gary P, Bob Owens, Ken M, and the others that talk smack to call Don on the carpet in front of you. They won't because they don't have the guts. Call the hall and say you want these so-called leaders who blame the Int'l to request that Don be brought out to your station to meet with the people. They local probably won't return your call.

This wouldn't be the same Don that tried to sway the vote and had a pamphlet inserted in with the contract vote as to scare the membership into voting yes? Unless of course you speak of another Don who actually personifies the up-most in moral character.

 

[Overspeed]

This wouldn't be the same Don that tried to sway the vote and had a pamphlet inserted in with the contract vote as to scare the membership into voting yes? Unless of course you speak of another Don who actually personifies the up-most in moral character.

Yes. Same Don. I don't know which flyer you got but if factual information scares you well...you got issues.

What wasn't factual? Did you get a summary for any previous contract before? Was that scaring the membership too? I have seen info by the TWU since the early 80s. Where have you been? Many of us asked to have him come out with the committee but the committee said no. Why? Could it be Owens, Schalk, Schiable, Ken M, and the like were afraid he might actually inform the membership with facts? Could it be that many on the committee filter information and stifle free flowing discussion because they may be found out that? And you call Don lacking in moral character?

Like I said, why not invite him out to the field with the escort of Gary S or Bob O? Call him out. They don't have the guts that's why! I think you should take him on in a debate with your infinite knowledge of the economy, industry, contracts, and the way the government regulates labor.

 

[Overspeed]

We can start with international or local your choice? I'll let you sober up and make your choice before your beer muscles get you in trouble.

I'd love to see the dirty laundry. Would love to see an episode of TMZ - The Union Files!

 

[GoodTimeBob]

Yes. Same Don. I don't know which flyer you got but if factual information scares you well...you got issues.

What wasn't factual? Did you get a summary for any previous contract before? Was that scaring the membership too? I have seen info by the TWU since the early 80s. Where have you been? Many of us asked to have him come out with the committee but the committee said no. Why? Could it be Owens, Schalk, Schiable, Ken M, and the like were afraid he might actually inform the membership with facts? Could it be that many on the committee filter information and stifle free flowing discussion because they may be found out that? And you call Don lacking in moral character?

Like I said, why not invite him out to the field with the escort of Gary S or Bob O? Call him out. They don't have the guts that's why! I think you should take him on in a debate with your infinite knowledge of the economy, industry, contracts, and the way the government regulates labor.

The information as you construe it to be didn't scare me or a majority of the membership it only irritated us that someone of a position such as his would stoop to something that low.

Yes we did get summaries before the previous contracts but not in such a manner. As to your committee statement you are probably in danger of losing your spot or have already lost it, no? Let me further add that the reason the people you have mentioned that don't want Don to make a visit is that the ooze that leaks from his lips will not scare the membership but only enrage them because they know he is nothing more than an overpaid elixir salesman. He has to deliver a contract or his is useless to the rest of the disturbed bunch for which he works for and could lose his appointment. Speaking to his moral character the membership pretty much know you nor he have an argument.

I would also say that Gary S or Bob O have the guts but are smart enough not to drag Don out to the field for reasons already stated.

 

[Overspeed]

The information as you construe it to be didn't scare me or a majority of the membership it only irritated us that someone of a position such as his would stoop to something that low.

Yes we did get summaries before the previous contracts but not in such a manner. As to your committee statement you are probably in danger of losing your spot or have already lost it, no? Let me further add that the reason the people you have mentioned that don't want Don to make a visit is that the ooze that leaks from his lips will not scare the membership but only enrage them because they know he is nothing more than an overpaid elixir salesman. He has to deliver a contract or his is useless to the rest of the disturbed bunch for which he works for and could lose his appointment. Speaking to his moral character the membership pretty much know you nor he have an argument.

I would also say that Gary S or Bob O have the guts but are smart enough not to drag Don out to the field for reasons already stated.

Did you come up with that all on your own? So it is true, none of you has the back bone to do nothing more than blame the Int'l. As far as the 2011 insert being so underhanded. I suppose you loved the 1995 contract flyer, or the 1983 booklet. That was the first one that did not tell me how to vote but what was a quick read on the contract. I knew the full text was coming as well. Drove me to read those areas. So you blindly listened to Bob and Gary S but you trash Int'l for taking the time to get information out.

I suspect you are one of those break room politicians that talk smack but when faced with the person you trash you sit in silence. You sheepishly tell your friends and coworkers that you didn't speak up because you knew what they were going to say. That's not called smart, that's called lacking moral character.

 

[727 200]

Did you come up with that all on your own? So it is true, none of you has the back bone to do nothing more than blame the Int'l. As far as the 2011 insert being so underhanded. I suppose you loved the 1995 contract flyer, or the 1983 booklet. That was the first one that did not tell me how to vote but what was a quick read on the contract. I knew the full text was coming as well. Drove me to read those areas. So you blindly listened to Bob and Gary S but you trash Int'l for taking the time to get information out.

I suspect you are one of those break room politicians that talk smack but when faced with the person you trash you sit in silence. You sheepishly tell your friends and coworkers that you didn't speak up because you knew what they were going to say. That's not called smart, that's called lacking moral character.

Questions

If KS is such an International lackey why would he have resisted efforts from them and vote no in 08 for that preposed TA?
If KS is such an International lackey why am I working gate calls out of A section at DFW in 110 degree weather? ..... Im good with this arrangement, I just need "lackey" info from this esteemed site
Why would the members of local 565 buy advice, support, etc, from the current local e board on who to elect as their new president?
A) Due to the fine outstanding job their current President has done ... ie their track record in choosing Presidents?
B) Their due for a good pick this time?
C) His last name dosn't begin in Z?

KM, GP, BO, Why do you so often dignify this site ?
For the positive up lifting advice and outlook it gives on our profession?

Keith Stewart