Democracy In Action

[Kev3188]

Seriously, who gives a sh*t if someone interviewed for a management spot?

 

[Mr Red]

Again Bob, you blame everyone but yourself. If you go in to fight against a group that is better organized than you, has better resources, and more backing outside your inner circle they are out to get you. Maybe you need to manage expectations within reality.

Here we are one year later since the failed TA so how is your "plan" going? Did the Company come back with that "back pocket" TA that had all that retro pay and raises you promised? No. Did the mediator buckle under your barrage of facts and legal maneuvering/ No. Are we anywhere closer to TA that gets us full retro and UPS/SWA wages? No. Did Jim Weel cave in to your demands? No. Do you have a plan B? No.

Face it. You and your no vote platform got us nothing and most likely never will. (Cool You Tube videos though, love the sound effects) You had your time on the soap box, it's over. Arpey and his team had there way again. They actually got a paycut because of your leadership.

Blame the Int'l and let the conspiracy theories run rampant. Doesn't change the fact that you failed to deliver on your promises.

The International has a record and its not good ! where have u been.I've been here over 20 yrs and the only contract that was decent was when AMFA was knockin at the door.
We all know who the enemy is and its not Bob !!

 

[tech2101]

And I got word .... I heard ...

I have no clue who any of you are, nor do i have a vote in this thing. However, as a former union AMT, I am watching this side show with interest.

You are losing the debate with your tack.

Good luck.

 

[GoodTimeBob]

I have no clue who any of you are, nor do i have a vote in this thing. However, as a former union AMT, I am watching this side show with interest.

You are losing the debate with your tack.

Good luck.

Tech you are on the money with this statement. I do believe this underspeed is a consortium of past office holders or current int'l trash.

 

[MCI transplant]

Again Bob, you blame everyone but yourself. If you go in to fight against a group that is better organized than you, has better resources, and more backing outside your inner circle they are out to get you. Maybe you need to manage expectations within reality.

Here we are one year later since the failed TA so how is your "plan" going? Did the Company come back with that "back pocket" TA that had all that retro pay and raises you promised? No. Did the mediator buckle under your barrage of facts and legal maneuvering/ No. Are we anywhere closer to TA that gets us full retro and UPS/SWA wages? No. Did Jim Weel cave in to your demands? No. Do you have a plan B? No.

Face it. You and your no vote platform got us nothing and most likely never will. (Cool You Tube videos though, love the sound effects) You had your time on the soap box, it's over. Arpey and his team had there way again. They actually got a paycut because of your leadership.

Blame the Int'l and let the conspiracy theories run rampant. Doesn't change the fact that you failed to deliver on your promises.

<_< ------- Overspeed,------- Bob just happens to be one man on that negotiation committee. The "real" negotiations are being done in the back room by the International and AA. Plus we're dealing with the TWU here. Which happens to be in AA's back pocket,----- or haven't you noticed? ------ So until that changes, all the membership can do is to keep turning down all those concessionary T/A's they bring back for a vote!!!----- Sooner, or latter, the membership will get tired of the screwing they've been taking by the TWU/AA, and vote their tail feathers out of there!------ Or just give up and bend over one more time for them!!!-------- Which it will be, is yet to be seen!!! Let's just see if they have the balls to do the right thing!!? I take it you don't think they do?------ You may be right!-------- But than again, maybe not!!! :huh:

 

[toroshark]

Again Bob, you blame everyone but yourself. If you go in to fight against a group that is better organized than you, has better resources, and more backing outside your inner circle they are out to get you. Maybe you need to manage expectations within reality.

Here we are one year later since the failed TA so how is your "plan" going? Did the Company come back with that "back pocket" TA that had all that retro pay and raises you promised? No. Did the mediator buckle under your barrage of facts and legal maneuvering/ No. Are we anywhere closer to TA that gets us full retro and UPS/SWA wages? No. Did Jim Weel cave in to your demands? No. Do you have a plan B? No.

Face it. You and your no vote platform got us nothing and most likely never will. (Cool You Tube videos though, love the sound effects) You had your time on the soap box, it's over. Arpey and his team had there way again. They actually got a paycut because of your leadership.

Blame the Int'l and let the conspiracy theories run rampant. Doesn't change the fact that you failed to deliver on your promises.

Everybody on the clock still has the retiree medical as well. Care to explain how the overhaul spinoff language was beneficial to anyone other than AA and the TWU intl. If the yet to be displayed T/A sucks, then vote NO. The current concessions we are working under is still a far better deal in the long run for the majority than the failed sellout T/A would have been.

 

[comatose]

And I got word that the Local 564 President sent out a letter endorsing Keith. I heard in the letter he even goes as far as to say to ask each candidate if he interviewed for management and if they say yes, don't vote for them. Why would another local president insinuate that if it wasn't true?

Trying to see if I can get a copy of the letters from 567 and 564.

Sorry Don, I don't need anyone from a different local telling me how to vote for a local election.

What would be interesting is seeing this joke of a union voted out and your sorry butt in a company management position.

Working for you would remind me of a scene from the movie Bad Santa.

 

[767 mechanic]

I would like to know why local 567 is involved in another locals business? Gary Peterson might be undesireable to some people,but that is the decision of the membership of local 565. Overspeed is a newbie and has done nothing,but bash Bob Owens and everything that he has tried accomplish. His motives are clear that he is trying to undermine the present neg committee to help the int. Keith Stewart is nothing more than a yes boy for Don V. The int is losing control of neg and are losing their yes boy in zimmerman and they need to replace him with somebody that they trust and not to mention that they are not sure if their other yes man,Gilboy might not get relected in ORD. What other reason would the int have to get involved in a local election? The board that gary had at afw was against him most of the time. They thought that he was providing the people in the AMFA drive with info,which he wasn't. They had his lap top check out to see if he had down loaded personal info to it for the drive and that was false. Their were team twu boys that accussed him and others that they did not like of doing drugs at the union hall to HR which turned out to be false. This can be verified in the transcrips of Dan Cunninghams arbitration case in Kathy Attwells testimony.The name of the person that falsely accussed him and others of doing drugs can be found their. The bottom line is if the int is pushing to get one person elected and one thing that I can assure you of is that it is not in the best interest of the membership and in the best interest of the int. So in most elections you have to pick the lesser of two evils so to speak. So to the people of DFW ask yourselves why is certain locals and the int indorsing one canidate and not the other? I'll tell you why it is in the best interest of the int and not the membership. So if you want to continue getting screwed vote for the Don Vs suck boy. Overspeed since you don't want to tell Gary who you are and have previously denied that you are presently and have never been part of the int you should atleast tell him what local you are part of. I will give alittle prediction (maybe right and may be wrong). AA just ordered alot of planes and we will be getting a reorganized neg committee and a ta in aug that our present neg committee will not indorse,but the int will. Get ready to vote no.

 

[comatose]

767 mechanic, Donnie would lie to you, even if the truth sounded better.

 

[Tex-Mech]

Listening to some of my local superhero's laughing about the chaos they are causing at DFW by endorsing Stewart and pumping the other guy(said nicely) full of BS. There intent is to get there hands on DWH by way of doing as much damage as possible in this election.

Good Luck Guys

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

And I got word that the Local 564 President sent out a letter endorsing Keith. I heard in the letter he even goes as far as to say to ask each candidate if he interviewed for management and if they say yes, don't vote for them. Why would another local president insinuate that if it wasn't true?

Trying to see if I can get a copy of the letters from 567 and 564.

Don/Bob/Kevin,

Before you go spouting again perhaps you should ask Local 564 President if he has facts to back up his statements or if they were just words passed around.

Face it, Keith is a bad choice for 565 President. Period. His letter posted on Peterson's web site is fluff. He lost the previous election because the membership didn't want him as president. Period. He couldn't handle it. So much so he resorted to bad mouthing those who were elected. Nice, real nice.

 

[Overspeed]

Don/Bob/Kevin,

Before you go spouting again perhaps you should ask Local 564 President if he has facts to back up his statements or if they were just words passed around.

Face it, Keith is a bad choice for 565 President. Period. His letter posted on Peterson's web site is fluff. He lost the previous election because the membership didn't want him as president. Period. He couldn't handle it. So much so he resorted to bad mouthing those who were elected. Nice, real nice.

Oh wow. The flip flopper turns on one of his heroes of negotiations? Really. That was a the best flip flop yet! 1080 twisting somersault with a full pike position. Thanks Ken for showing your true colors! You stand up for something or someone up until they counter you. Then they are liars. You win the IGM'er award of the month and a Payday candy bar! Congratulations!

Gary is another IGM'er. You guys must have been two peas in a pod!

Like JR said, if the guy was interested in management do you really want him negotiating your contract. How do we as members know he won't be sharing that info with his former senior AA management spouse. Talk about a security leak. You really want that? Ken, now who is the gullible one? Can you even spell the word credibility Ken?

Have a nice day Chuck/Bob/Gary!

 

[GoodTimeBob]

Don/Bob/Kevin,

Before you go spouting again perhaps you should ask Local 564 President if he has facts to back up his statements or if they were just words passed around.

Face it, Keith is a bad choice for 565 President. Period. His letter posted on Peterson's web site is fluff. He lost the previous election because the membership didn't want him as president. Period. He couldn't handle it. So much so he resorted to bad mouthing those who were elected. Nice, real nice.

Ken, I couldn't agree more with you. I might also add that another Videtich lapdog Van De Loo was out campaigning for Keith last night. That is a sure fire way to enhance your campaign.

 

[toroshark]

Which is a worse choice for a local president? A: someone married (supposedly) to former AA senior management. or B: someone beholden to a TWU intl. officer with aspirations of a intl. position. If you have to think about it there is something wrong with the Intl. If strong presidents with no intl. dreams were in office at all the locals, we would not have such a mess. This means you Mr. Overspeed. Or should I say Phat Don?

 

[Overspeed]

Everybody on the clock still has the retiree medical as well. Care to explain how the overhaul spinoff language was beneficial to anyone other than AA and the TWU intl. If the yet to be displayed T/A sucks, then vote NO. The current concessions we are working under is still a far better deal in the long run for the majority than the failed sellout T/A would have been.

You would have still had retiree medical under the failed TA. Did you read it? Only the funding option changed for those under 50. Don't be a lemming.

Spin off language was designed to protect TWU jobs in the event of a major sale of M&E assets. What do you think the TWU should do? The other union and non-union shops out there haven't found a way to stop sales of major portions of the M&E group. The TA was trying to structure language to protect that work.