DELTA TO GET FULL SENIORITY

Just a question because I don't know......Are they (Delta) going to be the surviving entity? And would that play into the seniority issue? They are quite larger than the present USAirways aren't they? :huh:
 
My my my.... Such attitude...
Let's break this down for you...
First. Both the US/AWA mergers were done DOH for F/A's. This is also true with PSA, PIA, Mohawk, Lake Central... Are you getting the trend here. Unlike other unions... AFA stands for what is fair... DATE OF HIRE... is the only solution to this complex problem... Bearing this in mind... US/W F/A's are going to have it the roughest... However... The look on the bright side... We will be a global carrier of great reach... North America-South America-Europe-Asia... Quit looking at what is in front of you. Look at the wonderful outlook this airline could have in a few years.
Second. Merging the best of all three flight attendant agreements will give all of us a boost in pay and bennies. DP stated he would want to merge the best of all agreements to get labor in line in quick order...
Third...
Give this a chance... Don't be so down... this could work out best for all...
 
AFA website

J. Merger with Non-AFA-CWA Carrier


1. In the event of merger with an airline where the flight attendants are not then represented by AFA-CWA, the International President shall convene the Master Executive Council of the AFA-CWA carrier at an appropriate time after learning of management action to effect a merger, through agreement, notification to a government agency or otherwise. The functions of such meeting shall include briefing and orienting the participants on merger-related matters and commencing a program in conjunction with the International Office for the protection of the employment rights of the AFA-CWA flight attendants, protecting AFA-CWA representation, and organizing and related activities for the purpose of assuring AFA-CWA representation on the merged carrier. The meeting shall include a review of AFA-CWA merger and organizing policies.


2. Seniority integration with a non-AFA-CWA carrier shall, to the extent legally possible, be accomplished by compiling an integrated seniority list in the same manner as provided for seniority integration between flight attendants on AFA-CWA carriers.


3. The Executive Board (or the International President, where necessary pending Executive Board action), may authorize legal and related expenses for seniority merger purposes, up to the time that AFA-CWA acquires representation for all flight attendants of the merged carrier.


4. Maintaining AFA-CWA representation rights through a merger and on the merged carrier shall be considered a priority under AFA-CWA organizing policy.
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So let me ask a quick question here....

Most articles concerning the pending merger state in one form or fashion that some slots/gates/etc will have to be surrendered to grease this through DOJ. If that were to occur, the "New Delta" wouldn't require all the employees that the merger had supplied it with,Pilots/FA's/AMTs/Ramp and CSRs etc.

Now "if" Delta FAs get DOH, then when layoffs associated with the merger come soon after, then former US FAs will hit the street.

I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, and yes I'm an outsider, but I don't think the employees of the aquiring carrier should be placed in a position to lose their jobs, to save the jobs of the distressed carrier.

JMHO :unsure:
 
ThirdSeatHero said:
I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, and yes I'm an outsider, but I don't think the employees of the aquiring carrier should be placed in a position to lose their jobs, to save the jobs of the distressed carrier.

JMHO :unsure:
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Actually if this Ponzi scheme does not go through (or another one to be annouced later) this airline is in deep trouble
 
PITbull said:
Its not about what USAirways will do; its about AFA. DL will become union the minute the merger is approved. Seniority will be DOH.
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PITbull:

You definately have more experience in union mattters than I do. Consider this. I remember reading somewhere that when two merged carriers reach single carrier status, the NMB will examine the question of representation. With HP and US, it was not a problem since both were represented by the afa.

In a LCC/DL combination, there is a difference. Slightly less than 50% would be represented by the afa. The DL flight attendants, slightly more than 50%, are unrepresented. In this case, the NMB would hold an election to see who represents the new group.

As one poster pointed out, when you combine the "yes" voters from the last DL drive with the likely "yes" votes of the LCC flight attendants who have always operated under a union, the afa should win. It is a long, long, long shot that the "new" DL would be unrepresented.

However, if the afa leadership treated the ex-DL flight attendants unfairly (like staple or ratio merge), the ex-DL flight attendants would have the numbers to swing an election to any union that promised an equitable solution.

The IAM, TWU, or Teamsters would all like to bring the new DL under into their fold. Therefore, the afa will have to play nice if it wants to stay in power post-merger.

Note: there has only been one vote on the question of representation at Delta by the AFA.
 
I have to admit that I am 50/50 on this issue. While I DO NOT agree with a staple job I have to question. If we US west and east are AFA dues paying employees and adhered to the policies of AFA why would they give FULL seniority to a carrier that obviously did NOT want to be represented by them? Over the years of paying $39.00 a month in union dues it ought to give you SOME kind of security in a situation like this. I will bet the bank that AFA gives them DOH but I don't necessarily agree wholeheartedly that it is the right thing for current USAirways members. It would be the wrong thing for the Delta employees but where is the middle road. Again I am against an airline doing to employees what AA did do TWA but in this case what should be? They didn't want AFA now they receive the benefits of the policies written? Hmmmm....
 
Travelpro72 said:
I have to admit that I am 50/50 on this issue. While I DO NOT agree with a staple job I have to question. If we US west and east are AFA dues paying employees and adhered to the policies of AFA why would they give FULL seniority to a carrier that obviously did NOT want to be represented by them? Over the years of paying $39.00 a month in union dues it ought to give you SOME kind of security in a situation like this. I will bet the bank that AFA gives them DOH but I don't necessarily agree wholeheartedly that it is the right thing for current USAirways members. It would be the wrong thing for the Delta employees but where is the middle road. Again I am against an airline doing to employees what AA did do TWA but in this case what should be? They didn't want AFA now they receive the benefits of the policies written? Hmmmm....
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It really should not be about policies...it should be about doing the right thing! DOH seems the fairest way!
 
USCREW said:
USAir has never stAApled; just the opposite infact. What AA did to TWA was unbelievable.
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It might not have been USAir at the time, but Piedmont stapled the Empire pilots right to the bottom of their pilot list. (1985)
 
I am a true advocate of DOH make no mistake about it. When some west f/a's were on here during the whole debate of DOH for the Usairways/America West merger we all voiced our importance of DOH and the C&B's. In this case though, the Delta employees repeatedly turned down representation by AFA. I would say OK fine to AFA awarding them full DOH. I just can't help to feel that they did turn down the AFA representation. Can't help to find it a bit unfair to all of us that were already working under AFA and paying THOUSANDS of dollars to only be bumped down the list by a group of employees that couldn't have cared less about AFA or being represented by them. Whatever way it goes..... Whatever will be will be.
 
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