Delta +7 = $43.56

[Vortilon]

You still haven't read the language in the contracts to understand the topic that we are supposed to be talking about. Have you?

Do you know how to stay on topic?

 
That means so much coming from a flake like you.  What with your lame references, links, and copynpastes, and you're questioning me about staying on topic?  Besides, the post was on topic.  My experience with TWU and the contract language, is that it is written in such a way that the membership often times has to get a clarification as to the true meaning or intent.  Then, there are the backroom side letters.  So, here you are having to scrutinize the contract language of what - 4 groups - for something that should have been a universal mechanism to right the pay disparity we have all suffered under.  Yeah, it's BS.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
That means so much coming from a flake like you.  What with your lame references, links, and copynpastes, and you're questioning me about staying on topic?  Besides, the post was on topic.  My experience with TWU and the contract language, is that it is written in such a way that the membership often times has to get a clarification as to the true meaning or intent.  Then, there are the backroom side letters.  So, here you are having to scrutinize the contract language of what - 4 groups - for something that should have been a universal mechanism to right the pay disparity we have all suffered under.  Yeah, it's BS.

Highlighted in red what I agree with. The reason I didn't highlight the BS part is because I don't know all the details as to why they are written differently? I think each has it's own story why though?

 

[Hackman]

While I'm totally against the Association and I hope the mechanics get the changes they are looking for (on par with their peers both monetarily and in benefits), it doesn't matter what factual info you throw out there WeAAsles, you are a ramper, huh Hackman. You are not a mathematician, you're not a statistician, you're a ramper, huh Hackman. You're not Doug Parker, you're not Gary Petterson, you're not a mechanic, you're a ramper, huh Hackman. So get out there and start slinging bags and stop trying to tell the mechanics whats best for them, you're only a ramper, huh Hackman.
 
I'm a ramper and all that sounded like something that would come from a ramper, huh Hackman!

Thats right, your just a ramper, and I'm just a AMT.  My comments are directed at the nosey nonsensical clowns in our business. Stop the sniveling, the tears are corroding my screen. I've got nothing personal against rampers, stock clerks or even garbage men. We are all wage slaves who are looked down upon by the elite, (yes both democrats and republicans) to be screwed at the will of those in power. We are not in the club, they don't give a sh*t if we live or die, preferably the later. Just a number. Or as Dougie Steenland at NWA put it: "People should learn their place in society". I get it, and have for nearly 35 years in this trade and others.
 
The problems arise when those certain individuals involve themselves in others careers, those who shouldn't have a public bias and/or base negative opinions about that which does not concern them or the career individuals have chosen. They want to tell you in no uncertain terms ad nauseum, the unwanted and unsolicited opinions of your chosen representation or desired future organization there of.  To some of these disturbed paid Industrial Union clones, its very much like being in a religious cult. Your NOT ALLOWED to leave the cult without extreme distress and ridicule, yes you....the elitist. Very much like Aspostasy. The renunciation and criticism of, or opposition to, a persons former religion.  Except the big difference is, the union is just a well paid representative, much like a attorney. Its not a cult, and not a religion, but it really is with the TWu/IAm/IBt. Not performing as they are paid to do? Won't change to satisfy the members needs? Corrupt and inept? FIRE AT WILL!!!  Get a new representative. But that's not allowed.
 
Well, I beg to differ. 
 
This not withstanding, as many have said here and including myself.  I don't try to tell pilots, flight attendants, dispatchers, or stock clerks and rampers what their chosen representative should be, will be, or cannot be. I don't care!!!! I don't have a say in the craft and class and I won't be voting in the election for the aforementioned groups . It's a damn decision I won't be making.
 
So why is it, that rampers and stock clerks Give a Rats A$$ who the AMTs choose?  Baffling to say the least.

 

[dfw gen]

Funny thing is there is a thread for fleet service, never been on it... well because I'm not a fleet service clerk and really couldn't care what goes on in it. Unlike a few pesty clerks as in stock and fleet service. That basically know it all.

 

[Hackman]

Thanks man you just made me laugh. You can tell I don't really care what those guys think anyway. They just wish I would shut the hell up and stop posting all the information (with links)

We can all say whatever we want and we can all have opinions but if you're going to give information you should be able to back it up. If you can't do that then anything you have is just rumor, hearsay, or emotional dribble.

If guys like Hockman really want to be exclusive and not have information put out they should have a Facebook page and they can lure in and exclude anyone they like. There's plenty of those (Censored) pages out there.

Listen up TWu toolboy, all the TWu tidbits you post are mostly just half truths and/or outright lies. Or as I call it, TWu Ramper Rash. We know how the TWu International operates, been here a lot longer than you hAAve.  Just like the recent unsigned TWu pension letter, I dismissed it like last weeks TWu Informer newsletter. Thrown in the trash.
 
I exclude you because you have no stake in my career field, your here just as an paid moronic irritant.  That simple.

 

[AANOTOK]

Thats right, your just a ramper, and I'm just a AMT.  My comments are directed at the nosey nonsensical clowns in our business. Stop the sniveling, the tears are corroding my screen. I've got nothing personal against rampers, stock clerks or even garbage men. We are all wage slaves who are looked down upon by the elite, (yes both democrats and republicans) to be screwed at the will of those in power. We are not in the club, they don't give a sh*t if we live or die, preferably the later. Just a number. Or as Dougie Steenland at NWA put it: "People should learn their place in society". I get it, and have for nearly 35 years in this trade and others.
 
The problems arise when those certain individuals involve themselves in others careers, those who shouldn't have a public bias and/or base negative opinions about that which does not concern them or the career individuals have chosen. They want to tell you in no uncertain terms ad nauseum, the unwanted and unsolicited opinions of your chosen representation or desired future organization there of.  To some of these disturbed paid Industrial Union clones, its very much like being in a religious cult. Your NOT ALLOWED to leave the cult without extreme distress and ridicule, yes you....the elitist. Very much like Aspostasy. The renunciation and criticism of, or opposition to, a persons former religion.  Except the big difference is, the union is just a well paid representative, much like a attorney. Its not a cult, and not a religion, but it really is with the TWu/IAm/IBt. Not performing as they are paid to do? Won't change to satisfy the members needs? Corrupt and inept? FIRE AT WILL!!!  Get a new representative. But that's not allowed.
 
Well, I beg to differ. 
 
This not withstanding, as many have said here and including myself.  I don't try to tell pilots, flight attendants, dispatchers, or stock clerks and rampers what their chosen representative should be, will be, or cannot be. I don't care!!!! I don't have a say in the craft and class and I won't be voting in the election for the aforementioned groups . It's a damn decision I won't be making.
 
So why is it, that rampers and stock clerks Give a Rats A$$ who the AMTs choose?  Baffling to say the least.

No sniveling here, AMT. Just pointing out the fact if you're not qualified to paint, might try using something other than a broad brush. I personally don't give a Rats A$$ who you guys choose. As I have stated numerous times here, I hope whatever it is you seek, you get. Now go ahead and get back to whomever it is your are bashing while I clean the apparent accidental paint off my screen...Happens sometimes when the brush is oversized!

 

[WeAAsles]

Thats right, your just a ramper, and I'm just a AMT.  My comments are directed at the nosey nonsensical clowns in our business. Stop the sniveling, the tears are corroding my screen. I've got nothing personal against rampers, stock clerks or even garbage men. We are all wage slaves who are looked down upon by the elite, (yes both democrats and republicans) to be screwed at the will of those in power. We are not in the club, they don't give a sh*t if we live or die, preferably the later. Just a number. Or as Dougie Steenland at NWA put it: "People should learn their place in society". I get it, and have for nearly 35 years in this trade and others.
 
The problems arise when those certain individuals involve themselves in others careers, those who shouldn't have a public bias and/or base negative opinions about that which does not concern them or the career individuals have chosen. They want to tell you in no uncertain terms ad nauseum, the unwanted and unsolicited opinions of your chosen representation or desired future organization there of.  To some of these disturbed paid Industrial Union clones, its very much like being in a religious cult. Your NOT ALLOWED to leave the cult without extreme distress and ridicule, yes you....the elitist. Very much like Aspostasy. The renunciation and criticism of, or opposition to, a persons former religion.  Except the big difference is, the union is just a well paid representative, much like a attorney. Its not a cult, and not a religion, but it really is with the TWu/IAm/IBt. Not performing as they are paid to do? Won't change to satisfy the members needs? Corrupt and inept? FIRE AT WILL!!!  Get a new representative. But that's not allowed.
 
Well, I beg to differ. 
 
This not withstanding, as many have said here and including myself.  I don't try to tell pilots, flight attendants, dispatchers, or stock clerks and rampers what their chosen representative should be, will be, or cannot be. I don't care!!!! I don't have a say in the craft and class and I won't be voting in the election for the aforementioned groups . It's a damn decision I won't be making.
 
So why is it, that rampers and stock clerks Give a Rats A$$ who the AMTs choose?  Baffling to say the least.

Bravo, bravura. Exceptionally crafted and stylistically poetic in your dissertation most likely focused keenly on myself? I don't condone or participate in either cults or religions frankly so your perception of my annoyance towards some posters here in this group is incorrect. I like my Union but don't get me wrong it's far from perfect and deserves plenty of criticism that it takes on the chin sometimes deservedly. (Not quite to the extreme degree of the agenda mongers on here though)

I've explained multiple times why I'm pestering a few of the individuals on here but for some reason they don't believe me, lol. I'm just once again not a fan of deceitful people. They disgust me. And since a lot of the hoopla I hear out there on the field comes directly off of the garbage that's spewed on here, well here I am. In your Playground, in your Sandbox and walking into your Country Club whether you like it or not.

Your people post BS and I'll call them on it. They can stamp their feet and call out like little girls as much as they want. But "I don't care" (My motto at work when I'm annoyed) Hackman when your friends stop permeating and saturating every thread with their emotional reactionary sludge, I'll back off. They can say 100 times how much they don't care what I say but they keep responding over and over like stupid little fish going for the same hook. They can't control themselves. They HAVE to do it. 

Otherwise I really did like your mini manifesto.    

 

[WeAAsles]

Listen up TWu toolboy, all the TWu tidbits you post are mostly just half truths and/or outright lies. Or as I call it, TWu Ramper Rash. We know how the TWu International operates, been here a lot longer than you hAAve.  Just like the recent unsigned TWu pension letter, I dismissed it like last weeks TWu Informer newsletter. Thrown in the trash.
 
I exclude you because you have no stake in my career field, your here just as an paid moronic irritant.  That simple.

Not paid anything. I'm just here to be your irritant. Guess I'm doing a good job with these emotional (funny) tirades you keep putting out.

Keep em coming. Love em.

Toolboy? I'm not the one with the little red box that Mommy bought me after I finished wrench school.