Delta +7 = $43.56
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WeAAsles
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They were included and written into the example formula "before" there was a decision to merge.dfw gen said:
Now that we are merged in the same relevance that was placed on UAL/CAL I personally "opinion" don't think that US should be counted anymore?
It should be just UAL and Delta IMO?
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Delta + 7. But what are they going to want out of the middle from you guys for that? Or what will they ask or hold firm on?Buck said:
I have an idea what they'll want from us. We're not going to be immune from them asking for something either.
Will any "possible" asks be too much to accept? What's the line in the sand so to speak?
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The TWu holds firm on nothing, except union dues and rampers. The line in the sand is dumping the TWu/IAm and this Industrial rampers union. I forgot the bus drivers, Vegas card dealers....and the $150,000yr TWu sexrataries like the one Don V knocked up.WeAAsles said:
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At [DOS]+36 months, a calculation will be made to determine the maximum regular hourly pay rate (i.e., top
-of- scale base pay plus license premium, line premium and longevity) of the equivalent classification at Delta, United, Continental and US Airways (or their successors) in effect on that date. Those rates will then be averaged (arithmetic mean) and compared to the equivalent rate at AA, including any coincidental structural increase (i.e., the scheduled 3.0% increase to base pay). If United and Continental workers, whether managed by one contract or two, are paid on the same pay scales, their maximum regular hourly rate will be treated as a single comparative value in calculating the average among comparator airlines.
http://twu.org/Portals/0/AirContracts/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf
-of- scale base pay plus license premium, line premium and longevity) of the equivalent classification at Delta, United, Continental and US Airways (or their successors) in effect on that date. Those rates will then be averaged (arithmetic mean) and compared to the equivalent rate at AA, including any coincidental structural increase (i.e., the scheduled 3.0% increase to base pay). If United and Continental workers, whether managed by one contract or two, are paid on the same pay scales, their maximum regular hourly rate will be treated as a single comparative value in calculating the average among comparator airlines.
http://twu.org/Portals/0/AirContracts/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf
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When you look at the contracts there are (slight) differences. Take for example the difference between AA Fleet and Maintenance. In fleet the term (or their successors) exists, where in Maintenance that term is not in there?Vortilon said:
In the US contracts it is specific that they include themselves in the averaging. In AA Fleets example they do not use our wage but add the average in after the 2.1% increase.
All the contracts are online and searchable for clarity of the different languages.
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While I'm totally against the Association and I hope the mechanics get the changes they are looking for (on par with their peers both monetarily and in benefits), it doesn't matter what factual info you throw out there WeAAsles, you are a ramper, huh Hackman. You are not a mathematician, you're not a statistician, you're a ramper, huh Hackman. You're not Doug Parker, you're not Gary Petterson, you're not a mechanic, you're a ramper, huh Hackman. So get out there and start slinging bags and stop trying to tell the mechanics whats best for them, you're only a ramper, huh Hackman.
I'm a ramper and all that sounded like something that would come from a ramper, huh Hackman!
I'm a ramper and all that sounded like something that would come from a ramper, huh Hackman!
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Thanks man you just made me laugh. You can tell I don't really care what those guys think anyway. They just wish I would shut the hell up and stop posting all the information (with links)AANOTOK said:
We can all say whatever we want and we can all have opinions but if you're going to give information you should be able to back it up. If you can't do that then anything you have is just rumor, hearsay, or emotional dribble.
If guys like Hockman really want to be exclusive and not have information put out they should have a Facebook page and they can lure in and exclude anyone they like. There's plenty of those (Censored) pages out there.
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You see the guy didn't even bother to check if the language is the same which it is not. It's similar yes but there are a few caveats.dfw gen said:
The only reason you guys get blindsided is because you don't read and verify information.
"They can do that" is sometimes a very honest statement.
h34r:WeAAsles said:You see the guy didn't even bother to check if the language is the same which it is not. It's similar yes but there are a few caveats.
The only reason you guys get blindsided is because you don't read and verify information.
"They can do that" is sometimes a very honest statement.
We wouldn't have to worry about all this BS with a union that actually put the interests of the membership first, like the AMFA. Instead, we are stuck in a catch all union. A union run by a bunch of greedy posers - who are more concerned about the International, and the unelected minions that pretend to help the dues paying membership.
