Debate!

[Hackman]

Chuck Schalk had requested on numerous occasions to attend Tulsa membership meetings and was told that he would not be admitted.

Membership meetings are a whole different thing Bob and you know it. I guess Chuck would get in if the local board agrees. He is an amfa supporter is he not?? I wouldn't want him in my membership meeting spouting off at the mouth but that's just my opinion!!! I'm not a board member!!!

I believe a few years ago twuer, two local 567 shop stewards and a benefits coordinator came to the 514 clubhouse on a twu business visit and were refused entry. They were insulted and harassed by the 514 tough guys. They were told that they were AMFA because they were from local 567. They were told to leave immediatly.

Twuer, do you know what this did? It turned two of them from good, legitimate twu believers, into hardcore AMFA drivers. These two changed men have stated this incident started them toward the light of AMFA. You have no one to blame but YOURSELVES for this mess you are in. You have no one but YOURSELVES to blame for another great airline falling to the AMFA. Thats EIGHT airlines lost by the IAM, IBT, and TWU, (ATA I believe, had no union). More airlines will go AMFA after AA. You twu dummies are your own worst enemies, you turn you own people to AMFA daily. This is one of many reasons why you will SOUNDLY lose this representational dispute. You can't stop it now, its over.

Today, I met your 514 president here at AFW, Randy McDummy. I was not impressed what so ever. A company/twu dupe if there ever was one. AA has gotta laugh there ass off when he walks to the table. He got his ass handed to him by several AMFA men. Most of his "team bubba" club walked away and left him. Some "Bubba team" you all have. His lies didn't work on us. He actually believes the BS he tried to spew. It was quite a sad but funny conversation with him. He and "Team Bubba" were a bit dismayed at the very negative reaction at they're visit to AFW. I am sure the AMFA shirts and hats that he saw everywhere didn't help boost his confidence either.

You and the 514 "Bubba-believers" will be back to work on the floor real soon. So oil up those tools (if your a A@P mechanic), your going back to work!!!!

THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY IS GOING AMFA!!!! GET OUT OF THE WAY twu, THE AMFA TRAIN IS COMING!!!!!!

 

[Checking it Out]

So! what ya going to do? Since Delle has refused to debate again! And on top of that! He is not very confident that an election will be held!

 

[Checking it Out]

Hackman dream on!

 

[Stop the Bus..I Want Off!!]

Hey twu, what's the rush on a debate?? Why spend all that ub pay if we don't have enough cards?? Do you know something we don't?? Everyone knows that the AMFA will call for a debate a couple of weeks before we get our election ballots. All good things do come to those who wait. You'll get another chance but it will be on the weekend and in a place that holds a few thousand so everyone can attend. I'm sure Delle will let you know when and where.
It will truly be a great justice to see all the twu's lies and half-truths about the AMFA exposed to the membership. 50%+1 should be no problem after the debate.
Maybe the twu should have spent the last 50+ years trying to better our profession instead of becoming a company lap-dog union!!

Keep the Faith........VOTE AMFA!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hackman]

Hackman dream on!

Its your International dreams that are over rick!!!!!!


AMFA NOW!!!!

 

[Raptor]

Question why should Jim Little debate on Delles time table anymore than Delle should debate on Jim Littles time table.
The same could be said about choices of buildings and terms.

quite a paradox isn't it

I have 100 dollars that says there will never be a debate between Leaders any takers

we all know the Leaders of both organizations do not really want to debate each other if they did there would in fact be a debate.

This is really all quite comical when you think about it.

Carry on men, just thought I would throw 2 cents in.

 

[Checking it Out]

Delle had a prime opportunity to show All of Us he was not afraid to stand up and take the challenge! Remember, adversity is not on your terms! Delle is scarred to debate the TWU One on One!

Don't worry, the schedule will go forward! If the members control Amfa than I would suggest you show us what you are made of and put pressure on Delle to attend the meetings and put pressure on the chief Amfa organizers to stand up and show us what they are capable of!

Or! Will they run and hide? If so than you have to wonder if Amfa is really something you want! Quit making excuses and show us how well, you control Amfa! After all, you are an associate member who was bragging about being able to vote in an Amfa election! Or is local 12 just a front!

No more excuses or rhetoric! Show us what you are made of!!!!! Or? Are you all just puppets for Delle's Pleasures?

 

[Bob Owens]

Hey twu, what's the rush on a debate?? Why spend all that ub pay if we don't have enough cards?? Do you know something we don't?? Everyone knows that the AMFA will call for a debate a couple of weeks before we get our election ballots. All good things do come to those who wait.

I agree with most of your post except the line about good things coming to those who wait. Thats not necissarily true, good things come to those who make it happen, patience helps.

 

[High Speed Steel]

That is the real moral of this whole story. You're beloved AMFA cannot, I repeat CANNOT " Make it happen Bob"....! How do you promote " Skill Knowledge and Integrity" with the leadership from a band of "Cowards" who only want to get their hands in your pocket's...! The AMFA association is a total disaster, and fast becoming the joke of the industry....!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

 

[High Speed Steel]

Chuck Schalk had requested on numerous occasions to attend Tulsa membership meetings and was told that he would not be admitted.

Membership meetings are a whole different thing Bob and you know it. I guess Chuck would get in if the local board agrees. He is an amfa supporter is he not?? I wouldn't want him in my membership meeting spouting off at the mouth but that's just my opinion!!! I'm not a board member!!!

I believe a few years ago twuer, two local 567 shop stewards and a benefits coordinator came to the 514 clubhouse on a twu business visit and were refused entry. They were insulted and harassed by the 514 tough guys. They were told that they were AMFA because they were from local 567. They were told to leave immediatly.

Twuer, do you know what this did? It turned two of them from good, legitimate twu believers, into hardcore AMFA drivers. These two changed men have stated this incident started them toward the light of AMFA. You have no one to blame but YOURSELVES for this mess you are in. You have no one but YOURSELVES to blame for another great airline falling to the AMFA. Thats EIGHT airlines lost by the IAM, IBT, and TWU, (ATA I believe, had no union). More airlines will go AMFA after AA. You twu dummies are your own worst enemies, you turn you own people to AMFA daily. This is one of many reasons why you will SOUNDLY lose this representational dispute. You can't stop it now, its over.

Today, I met your 514 president here at AFW, Randy McDummy. I was not impressed what so ever. A company/twu dupe if there ever was one. AA has gotta laugh there ass off when he walks to the table. He got his ass handed to him by several AMFA men. Most of his "team bubba" club walked away and left him. Some "Bubba team" you all have. His lies didn't work on us. He actually believes the BS he tried to spew. It was quite a sad but funny conversation with him. He and "Team Bubba" were a bit dismayed at the very negative reaction at they're visit to AFW. I am sure the AMFA shirts and hats that he saw everywhere didn't help boost his confidence either.

You and the 514 "Bubba-believers" will be back to work on the floor real soon. So oil up those tools (if your a A@P mechanic), your going back to work!!!!

THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY IS GOING AMFA!!!! GET OUT OF THE WAY twu, THE AMFA TRAIN IS COMING!!!!!!

Hackman, I think your AMFA Train just got "DERAILED".......!!!!!!!!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

 

[Stop the Bus..I Want Off!!]

Say what you want about the AMFA. The fact still remains that they have over 9000 signed cards turned in at the NMB. The twu will get their chance to debate. Take the time to sober up. You will need a clear head when the AMFA national comes to town to debate. If the AMFA is as bad as you say, why doesn't the AMFA membership get rid of them and get the twu???? Why are there AMFA drives at AA, Fed-Ex, and Continental??
You wannabes will never have what it will take to correct the wrongs the twu has done to our profession over the last 50+ years.
Have some patience....your twu time is in short supply. Enjoy what little you have left!!

Keep the Faith........VOTE AMFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

That is the real moral of this whole story. You're beloved AMFA cannot, I repeat CANNOT " Make it happen Bob"....!


Well I think we have a better shot with AMFA than the TWU. Tell me why wont you debate the Mechanics pay vs CPI or the fact that the company gives TWU officials $3 million a year?


How do you promote " Skill Knowledge and Integrity" with the leadership from a band of "Cowards" who only want to get their hands in your pocket's...!


What are you talking about?

The AMFA association is a total disaster, and fast becoming the joke of the industry....!

Hardly. Once AMFA gets all the airlines then its off to all the third party providers. Wherever mechanics are thats where we will organize until we have the whole class and craft. Its something that should have been done years ago. Hopefully our coworkers in Ramp and stores will do the same, boot out the three useless unions and form one union across the industry. When a ramper goes from one company to the next he should stay in a union that exists for rampers, just like we should be in a union for our careers that exists for us, not lump us all together one airline at a time, keeping us seperate from those we have natural common interests with, pit one against the other and watch the few dictators at the top get rich while our living standards decline. To say that the TWU is a joke is not true, its a tragedy, and we, all those who work under their piss poor agreements, are its victims.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Say what you want about the AMFA. The fact still remains that they have over 9000 signed cards turned in at the NMB. The twu will get their chance to debate. Take the time to sober up. You will need a clear head when the AMFA national comes to town to debate. If the AMFA is as bad as you say, why doesn't the AMFA membership get rid of them and get the twu???? Why are there AMFA drives at AA, Fed-Ex, and Continental??
You wannabes will never have what it will take to correct the wrongs the twu has done to our profession over the last 50+ years.
Have some patience....your twu time is in short supply. Enjoy what little you have left!!

Keep the Faith........VOTE AMFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Bus dude, You know wh....... never mind. It is obvious that you have drank way to much of the AMFA Kool-aid and are beyond help...!

Peanut butter jelly, Peanut butter jelly, and AMFA Kool-aid 5 cents a cup...!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO.....!

 

[High Speed Steel]

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The AMFA association is a total disaster, and fast becoming the joke of the industry....!

Hardly. Once AMFA gets all the airlines then its off to all the third party providers. Wherever mechanics are thats where we will organize until we have the whole class and craft. Its something that should have been done years ago. Hopefully our coworkers in Ramp and stores will do the same, boot out the three useless unions and form one union across the industry. When a ramper goes from one company to the next he should stay in a union that exists for rampers, just like we should be in a union for our careers that exists for us, not lump us all together one airline at a time, keeping us seperate from those we have natural common interests with, pit one against the other and watch the few dictators at the top get rich while our living standards decline. To say that the TWU is a joke is not true, its a tragedy, and we, all those who work under their piss poor agreements, are its victims.

Bob, Thanks for spewing some of your "blue" on my post. So it is true that AMFA is about "Outsourcing of Our Jobs". You comment on organizing the third party providers after imbeding the fungus "AMFA" at all of the airlines.....! You know Bob, you sound like a "SCAB" to me....! You suggest the elimination of good paying AMERICAN JOB"S, and the devistation of the livelyhoods of many of my fellow co-workers...! Why don't you go crawl back under the rock that you came from...!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO.....!

 

[Raptor]

Scab ? :huh: ouch!! thats kind of hard language isn't it.

I don't think bob sounds like a scab, I can't say I see you point on this one.

Sorry.