Debate!

[Radman]

Raptor, name one debate or better yet any info meeting where a TWU rep was asked to stand that AMFA did not control the mic. As previously stated, AMFA requires control to sway the event, they cannot win by facts presented with their history as evidence.

How about the Sept. 12 meeting when the twu rented the room around the corner from the info meeting and paid for the stupids to be at the info meeting. They basically controlled the mic by forming a line all the way back to the door. Not
one of these people were turned away from the mic. I was there were you? Also during that meeting the twu was made to look like fools and lier's. The person who stands out in my mind is the one that tried to make it look like he was represented by AMFA at Braniff. He admitted to being an employee of the first Braniff not the second after being prodded a little.

 

[Bob Owens]

So Bob a question are you saying that the TWU needs to debate on AMFA schedule ?

Well, should AMFA jump when the TWU says to? Maybe they should meet and "negotiate a settlement".


The fact is only a madman would come to someone elses debate ( like burchette )
no one else would be crazy enough to do it, the only reason Presidential canidates debate is because the debates are put on by the media not the politicians themselves, so they trust that it will indeed be impartial.


Just ask Nader, not only did they not let him debate, but they threatened to arrest him if he tried to enter the room even though he had a ticket. Those debates are run by corporate sponsors, scary isnt it that the media and corporate sponsors get to choose who can debate and who cant, but thats a different topic.

 

[Pro-AMT]

Well, should AMFA jump when the TWU says to? Maybe they should meet and "negotiate a settlement".

Bob that is truly funny, if AMFA met to negotiate with the TWU we could get the TWU to pay for everything, the TWU would then concede the right to reply, and then concede that members should pay for admittance so the TWU could send the money to American.

It is clear if you read the arbitrators decision on R&D at UAL that the District is nothing more than a mid level layer within the union. He referred to our ex-President of IAM D141M as little more than a errand boy to the International. The Arbitrator pointed to our contract as being a contract between UAL and the International not the District. I have a copy of your contract and it has NO reference to TWU ATD only the TWU. This means as far as the law is concerned or an Arbitrator the legal bargaining agent for Mechanics and Related at American is the TWU because that is who ultimately pulls the strings!

There is nothing better than Local control in a union and the only way to achieve that is by voting AMFA. Keep your dues and power within your Local VOTE AMFA

 

[hoffa3]

Did you forget about the almighty Dell Fem. As far has I can see amfa, twu will only be a benefit to its members when the right people are put at the helm.

 

[hoffa3]

Why is there only four guys that are contantly on this site are you guys twu and amfa manure spreaders. This stuff is starting to really stink. S,S,D,D.

 

[Bob Owens]

This means as far as the law is concerned or an Arbitrator the legal bargaining agent for Mechanics and Related at American is the TWU because that is who ultimately pulls the strings!

The TWU International to be precise, and the members are not allowed to vote for them.

 

[Bob Owens]

Did you forget about the almighty Dell Fem. As far has I can see amfa, twu will only be a benefit to its members when the right people are put at the helm.

Exactly! And with the TWU the members can not vote in International elections nor can the members initiate a recall of any International officer. In AMFA the members vote for officers and can initiate a recall of any officer.

If you are from the Teamsters why are you defending a union that your own organization said was "inept"?

 

[local 12 proud]

bob i suspect the teamster's smell fear as well they should. southwest mechanics booted thier ass and the continental mechanics are watching the AMFA process here at american as well. soon ALL airline mechanics under the AMFA umbrella and all industrial dues collection agencies will be history with the mechanics.

 

[Bob Owens]

The Teamsters also represent UPS mechanics, and the ones I've spoken to want AMFA also. Even though they are making over $40/hr the one guy said, "I just feel that I need to be in a union that is for mechanics, not truck drivers. Its where I feel I belong".

Another concern is the growing movement by other workers to form a union thats tailored to them, one that fits, the AGW. I make a point of running off a copy of their authorization cards every day and stopping and talking to at least one different guy a day about it. No one has refused the card and I hear that they are sending them in.