City of Dallas tells Delta it can no longer fly out of Love Field

[WorldTraveler]

Wrong again, I posted 2 outs for DL to remain.  Try again...

those aren't outs.

that is the way it will be.

glad you can't figure out the value of a 717. DL can and does.

they're looking for more.

guess you haven't figured out that your one-dimensional view of life doesn't stand up to others' who can look at many options and find many that work all at the same time.

oh, and it cost WN far more than a dime. $100 million.

 

[robbedagain]

swamt  how many of the 717s are now left and when is the last one sched to leave FL fleet?

 

[WorldTraveler]

robbed, forgive me if you were waiting for swamt's response but the 717s have to be removed from the WN/FL fleet by right before the end of the year when FL ceases to exist.

DL will not have accepted all of the 717s by that point - DL has over half of the fleet at this point - so some of the 717s will be parked until conversion and acceptance by DL. I am pretty sure DL will have taken all of the 717s by next summer. dawg might know the exact date of when the final 717 delivery to DL is scheduled.

 

[swamt]

those aren't outs.

that is the way it will be.

glad you can't figure out the value of a 717. DL can and does.

they're looking for more.

guess you haven't figured out that your one-dimensional view of life doesn't stand up to others' who can look at many options and find many that work all at the same time.

oh, and it cost WN far more than a dime. $100 million.

You still don't get it as you cannot comprehend.  When it is all said and done it will not cost SWA a dime.  Getting rid of the 717's will pay for themselves.

 

[swamt]

swamt  how many of the 717s are now left and when is the last one sched to leave FL fleet?

SWA has delivered 45 to Delta of the 51 total removed from fleet.  So about 37 left to get rid of by 2017 (I think is the deadline)  Since the W/A went away @ LF SWA is running 90% load factor.  It would loose money with the 717's running the same routes.  If SWA even thought for one second that it was better to run the 717's out of LF then why aren't they doing it now?  Know what I mean?

 

[WorldTraveler]

You still don't get it as you cannot comprehend.  When it is all said and done it will not cost SWA a dime.  Getting rid of the 717's will pay for themselves.

yes, it did cost WN $100 million.

WN believes long-term that the cost of single fleet type has better economics but WN most definitely paid to get rid of the 717s

the option would have been for them to park them and keep paying for them or to return them to Boeing and break the contract. Since WN is one of Boeing's best customers, it is certain that WN asked Boeing to let them break the leases which undoubtedly resulted in WN being told now.

making economic sense long-term doesn't mean it cost nothing.

and, again, in your one track mind can't understand why another carrier can make money doing something that WN doesn't choose to do.

DL's DAL schedule requires 2 717s. That leaves 86 more to use elsewhere on their network.

you might also know - or not - that DL had 717s in ATL-EWR while UA was using RJs. UA decided to upgrade to mainline and DL returned the route to M80s like most of their large business market.

DL and WN both can and will put planes where it makes the most economic sense.

not sure why you can't accept those strategies might look different but end up at the same levels of profitability.

 

[robbedagain]

I hear ya bro   thanks for the info    Id imagine too that the 73s can carry more cargo than the 717

 

[Kev3188]

I'm sure they do, too.

That said, I actually like working the 717. Might be in the minority, but...

 

[WorldTraveler]

great to hear, Kev!

can you tell us why?

looks like your little corner of the world is a perfect example of the upgrade from RJs to mainline aircraft, no?

 

[swamt]

I hear ya bro   thanks for the info    Id imagine too that the 73s can carry more cargo than the 717

By far.  And SWA's cargo capacity has been picking up nicely.  At least you are comprehending about the cost differences...

 

[swamt]

I'm sure they do, too.

That said, I actually like working the 717. Might be in the minority, but...

Kev, I have heard this from AT guys now here.  Really never heard of anyone hating the 717, except for maybe passengers...

 

[WorldTraveler]

if passengers hated it, it would have to be FL's but I doubt if even you heard it; the 717 has been very well received.

the 717 interior is very similar to the M90 with the addition of A/C power thruout the aircraft.

many passengers, me included, prefer the 2-3 configuration of McD-D aircraft to the A/B 3-3 setup.

 

[eolesen]

Personally, I go out of my way to avoid DC-9's as a passenger. I prefer the higher ceilings on the Boeings.

From a ground handling perspective, I found DC-9's better to work because of the lower profile.

 

[Kev3188]

^Exactly.^

@Robbed-- If you ever worked a DC9-30, it's like a newer version of that...

 

[robbedagain]

I was never fond of workin the dc-9-30 let alone the md80 series