Branson wants to try and sway Dallas for DAL gates

[eolesen]

While u all break your fingernails trying to prove me wrong could you just answer the question of whether DL's flights are still for sale.

This isn't my canpaign bubbas

If DL didn't intend to fight to get what they believe they should have they would have pulled their inventory down

When that happens and WN also gets more than 16 gates yyou can declare victory

No one has won or lost anything

The fat lady is far from silent

Canpaign bubbas? Is that widget-speak for champagne bubbles?...

DL will eventually pull down inventory once they know what doesn't fit into the cracks of everyone else's schedules. Hopefully they've been working on Plan B to try and keep the existing services in place, but I don't see the full schedule surviving, and operating just one or two flights in all of those markets would be a mistake.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the question is yes or no. not in the future but now.

DL has not only a plan B but a C, D, E, and... Z.

 

[WNMECH]

well after weeks and yeah months of me saying it you all managed to find the exact language that I have been talking about.WN and Virgin might use up their full use of gates but UA has not.I have said for months and will say that DL will end up with access to DAL which is precisely what WN, AA, and its fan base here have been trying to prevent.And when it is clear what DL can and cannot do at DAL - and there will be more CAN than a lot of people here want o admit - DL will be adding flights in other key markets to/from Texas and the southwest where it makes sense for DL to do so and where WN has hidden behind monopolies for years.What is clear is that WN has tried for years to avoid competition, DL has given it them and won, and WN continues to try to find even more places to hide.No one really expected that Virgin wouldn't get access to DAL; the only angst comes from those of you have come up with every reason why DL shouldn't get it.

You are wrong again.
I posted the link and tried to explain the scarce resource provision to you in November.
You just wouldn't read it or listen.

Remember any of this exchange with you?

I really didn't want to get into it this deep but I will tell you what I understand about the Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006.
I am no lawyer.
The act refers to the scarce resource provision of the existing Love Field leases.
This comes from here:http://www.dallas-lovefield.com/pdf/CompetitionPlan.pdf
It does explain that if other airlines want to enter Love Field, then they will be accommodated.
It also details the process to try and get gate space. However it has been explained to me that if the gates being used by the leassees are being used to their full capacity, then the new airlines will be encouraged to look to DFW.
And even though the Sensenbrenner amendment to the Wright Amendment Reform Act removed the anti-trust protection in the original agreement,
I still believe SWA would withstand a legal challenge, and retain the rights to all 16 of their gates.
And I will bet on it.
Again, I am not a lawyer and will keep my day job. But parts of the Wright Amendment Reform Act were upheld in this case:https://www.casetext.com/case/love-terminal-partners-v-city-of-dallas-tex/

You were claiming then that Delta could challenge the Wright amendment reform act and beat it.

Now you claim that Delta will be accommodated because of the reform act.

You just keep spinning.

 

[swamt]

Well wt its time you owe swamt the bet. Dl is down further. Its like the bottom of the 9th inning with 2 outs and bases loaded

He will never concede.  He started his flipping awhile back saying that all this has nothing to do about the gates and that it's all about rather Delta will stay at LF or leave LF.  I have never seen anyone out here say that Delta would HAVE to leave LF.   Now I said something in the context of "wouldn't it be funny", or "I would LMAO if Delta had to leave LF and transfer or refund all the customers their money and give to whom ever wins the gates most of the customers."  
He took those quotes as someone actually saying Delta will no longer have any flights out of LF.  Why because he doesn't comprehend what is written.   I have said all along Delta could very easily stay at LF, "if they want to".  There is two other gates they could lease from as well as the very 2 gates that VA is going to get could be shared as well.  Now he is starting to twist his narratives around to make it sound like he was saying that Delta would lease UAL's gates.    Nice try WT I told you this from the get go.  Don't worry your little heart, WT, Delta will be taken care of.  And I see now you are accepting the fact that it looks more like Delta will have to share either UAL's gates or VA's gates.    Hmmmmmm;  I just wonder who originally said that?   I'm thinking, thinking,  ahhhh, hold on, I 'll get back to you on this one...

 

[robbedagain]

well either way you look at it WN   he cant help but to spin it anyway he can to fit his DL narratives.   but the simple fact is  DL got knocked down further on that pole.   I highly doubt seriously WN will accommodate DL for any of their gates for a flight  not sure what UA has scheduled etc  but its doubtful they help but who knows

 

[WNMECH]

well either way you look at it WN   he cant help but to spin it anyway he can to fit his DL narratives.   but the simple fact is  DL got knocked down further on that pole.   I highly doubt seriously WN will accommodate DL for any of their gates for a flight  not sure what UA has scheduled etc  but its doubtful they help but who knows

WN flys a light schedule on Saturday.
We can give them all the gates they want then.

 

[swamt]

so are the DL flights still for sale?

I'l take this one.
It's very obvious that you cannot accept the fact that it was never about if Delta leaves or stays.
This is why everyone is ignoring this question from you.  They are tired of repeating over and over and over again just like they have to with a 2 year old.
 
Now, getting back on the main topic;   I was told last night at lunch that the City Manager will announce today that he will approve the gates going to VA.  I was told that the reason behind their or his decision is mostly do to the onslot of law suits that they would have to spend in the millions upon millions to defend, and it could have came from more than the 3 parties involved in the gate issue at LF.  Unless something changes today for some crazy off the wall reasons, the gates will go to VA.  They very well could be waiting to announce to let VA get set up for big show for the media and all.  LF employees keep your eyes open for another VA airbus to land at LF again.   Question now is;  will WT admit he was wrong once the "official" announcements are made?
 
Now we'll focus on where Delta will end up.  Will it be flying out of UAL's gates?  VA's gates?  Or will they possibly have to transfer the flights over DFW?   We all await...

 

[swamt]

WN flys a light schedule on Saturday.
We can give them all the gates they want then.

LMAO!!
 
Hey I forgot about that.  We could also let them use them on holidays too, as our flights dramatically change on holiday days as well.  Great point...    And how about gate 15X for them to use after the new terminal is completed???

 

[700UW]

the question is yes or no. not in the future but now.

DL has not only a plan B but a C, D, E, and... Z.

Sure they do, a retiree who was in revenue management is privy to the inner workings of marketing, operations and routing.
 
So when did you learn you were delusional?

 

[robbedagain]

Sounds reasonable.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Let’s face it.

This, like most other discussions on here, there one too is personal. And it is about trying to prove me wrong.

When someone comes on a pro-labor chat board and repeatedly reminds those who have pushed and pushed to see DL labor organized and yet they have seen a complete failure in their efforts, I fully expect to feel the wrath of a few people who can’t accept that their desires very likely won’t happen.

When someone has repeatedly challenged those who have faithfully supported a particular AAirline, pointing out that that airline has lost enormous amounts of money and market share in several key markets, I don’t expect to have them smile and accept my criticisms without lashing back.

When I have reminded fans of another airline that their airline has a very poor track record of competing with DL and their method of working is clearly to avoid competition and find locations where it can avoid competition, I don’t expect them to readily admit that.

Let’s be clear that I have absolutely no power to put flights for DL in DL’s res and inventory systems. I have no power to send a multipage letter to Dallas City Council reminding them of the legal requirements they have.

I have no idea how DL will act but anyone that thinks that DL is going to simply roll over and say, “oh well, we tried but failed so let’s move on” clearly doesn’t understand the DL mgmt. team that has showed no fear of taking on any airline that has what DL wants in the market.

Let there have indeed been a number of people who have repeatedly said that DL would not win in any access to DAL and in addition that WN would win that access despite it being so clearly obvious that WN’s percentage of gates at DAL is well beyond the amount that other airlines have at any airport – even while other carriers want to serve that airport.

My question remains the same. Has DL pulled its DAL flights and given up that it cannot and will not serve the airport?

When that question is answered in the affirmative, then I will give up. Until then you all can throw all the dirt you want… but I am simply reminding you of what you don’t want to hear which is that DAL matters to DL.

 

[WNMECH]

To the contrary.
The reason people point out when you are wrong is because you are wrong so often and keep saying you are right.

I haven't seen one person in all this time claim that delta will be not win access to love.
Many like me have said they won't win the two gates but denied all access.
I also like others, have said we would like to see WN get those two gates but found it to be a long shot.
Show one person who posted that Delta would not win access to love. Just one, even though you said it was "many".

Only YOU wanted to bet everyone that the slot process would be changed to allow Delta to win slots at divested airports. Then only YOU claimed the process was illegal and would be challenged by Delta.

Again you try to change your words and the debate by adding qualifiers to your nuanced claims.

Poor you the truth teller.
What a joke.

 

[WNMECH]

To the contrary.
The reason people point out when you are wrong is because you are wrong so often and keep saying you are right.
I haven't seen one person in all this time claim that delta will be not win access to love.
Many like me have said they won't win the two gates but denied all access.
I also like others, have said we would like to see WN get those two gates but found it to be a long shot.
Show one person who posted that Delta would not win access to love. Just one, even though you said it was "a number of people". Yes, zero is a number.
Only YOU wanted to bet everyone that the slot process would be changed to allow Delta to win slots at divested airports. Then only YOU claimed the process was illegal and would be challenged by Delta.
Again you try to change your words and the debate by adding qualifiers to your nuanced claims.
Poor you the truth teller.
What a joke.

 

[WNMECH]

To the contrary.
The reason people point out when you are wrong is because you are wrong so often and keep saying you are right.
I haven't seen one person in all this time claim that delta will be not win access to love.
Many like me have said they won't win the two gates but not be denied all access.
I also, like others, have said we would like to see WN get those two gates but found it to be a long shot.
Show one person who posted that Delta would not win access to love. Just one, even though you said it was "a number of people". Yes, zero is a number.
Only YOU wanted to bet everyone that the slot process would be changed to allow Delta to win slots at divested airports. Then only YOU claimed the process was illegal and would be challenged by Delta.
Again you try to change your words and the debate by adding qualifiers to your nuanced claims.
Poor you the truth teller.
What a joke.

This corrects my last post.
I couldn't edit the mistake.

 

[eolesen]

Oh, the suspense...

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/05/how-about-those-dallas-love-field-gates-were-all-waiting-for-a-decision.html/

Guess we won't have to endure a long weekend filled with talk of lawsuits, Federal laws regarding access, Georgia imposing sanctions on Texas, or how the North Texas aviation market is going to be the focus of the nation's attention...