Seatacus
Veteran
Excellent point.....ua767fo said:
Bang! - You're Unemployed!
- Thread starter El Gato
- Start date
sentrido
Veteran
- Jan 8, 2004
- 1,004
- 0
Im saying that because they are in a union, they are able and entilted to negotiate a higher wage
As opposed to "Well, my employees are not in a union, and I now have got my emplyees by the balls!" ? Or the attitude of "I want to get the most amount of work for the least amount of money"
Ass far as my attitude, what the heck do you know about me? I was there when the planes came in, I was there when the planes broke, and fixed them as fast as I could.I put MY signature on the line. I was there on christmas,new years,thanksgiving, and every other holiday.I didnt call sick during the superbowl. I earned my pay.
- Thread Starter
- Thread starter
- #34
First off, no I am not scared. Second, I should never have to "scab" anyway since unions and management are supposed to be in a cooperative relationship, not an adverserial one. Example: Southwest.ua767fo said:
You have the nerve to question character? I believe you are a United f/o based on your name, and soon to be on the street yourself. How is retar-ted going? You and your cronies managed to burn a quarter billion so far this year, and now you want the feds to give you more to burn. And you think unions are being helpful? Give me a break.
Jobs come and go sure......but maybe you forgot about a little something called seniority. Guys who in their 50's are SOL when it comes to getting hired by the JetBlue's of the world, and the fact is that they are the future. You are not. Even if you got hired, you will be pulling gear for someone half your age in a non-union environment. You know what you can do with a grievence there? Good toilet paper.
You say it is far better off that Eastern is gone. You obviously didn't see the thousands who had to sell their homes, scramble to find other work and say goodbye to something they themselves did not kill. But I bet you would have stood alongside that schmuck Bryan and held up signs saying "We won", right?
Yeah, real victory in death, isn't there.
ClueByFour
Veteran
- Aug 20, 2002
- 3,566
- 37
I'm not a fan of everything unions do, by any means.El Gato said:
However, who among us can really say that they don't want to get the most compensation for the least amount of work?
- Thread Starter
- Thread starter
- #36
I work for an airline, and I earn a decent wage. I am thankful for what I have, and am capable of handling concessions. When I say giving back, I am saying the givebacks that SHOULD have been done in Chptr 11. You see, that was the greatest screwup Siegel made. He foolishly believed that the unions would be understanding of what the plight of the company is. In C11, he SHOULD have abrogated all contracts and had the judge lay down the new wages, work rules, etc. Now it is too late for that, and he has to beg the unionistas, who still think US is not in danger.
I really don't care about your union story. You have done more than say your piece, with adding an insult at the end which I hope the moderator catches. I am so tempted to call you something like a pi*che ma*icon, but that wouldn't be right now would it.
I really don't care about your union story. You have done more than say your piece, with adding an insult at the end which I hope the moderator catches. I am so tempted to call you something like a pi*che ma*icon, but that wouldn't be right now would it.
- Thread Starter
- Thread starter
- #37
The idea is that in a well run company, there is no need for a union in the first place. A great example of this is JetBlue....do you see those folks demanding a union? They would vote it down in a heartbeat! They are treated well, respectfully, and are compensated well. A union would kill them dead, because unions seem to have a nasty habit of asking more, and more, and more. And when they don't get what they want, they go nuts. It is not about who has who by the balls, but who respects who more.sentrido said:
airlineorphan
Senior
- Aug 20, 2002
- 380
- 0
El Gato invokes the labor-management paradise of Southwest:
Ummm, el Gato.....
When you catch your breath, you might want to catch up on the news at Southwest these days. Seems pretty adversarial between the f/a's and Mr. Parker over there at the LUV factory.
When you are done catching up on that, you might also want to catch up on your history. The rights we take for granted today are because some workers back in the day realized that labor and management have a fundamentally adversarial relationship and that unless workers were organized, management would always have the upper hand in that conflict. They got organized and made a difference under worse economic conditions that we see today! Defeat for their struggles often meant starvation or a bullet from the police or the National Guard or the Pinkertons. Nope, everything we have had to be fought for.... It wasn't bestowed by the magnanimity of a beneficent and generous management.
The point where labor has gone off the rails in this country has been the point where it forgot that basic fact and thought the guard could be lowered. Where labor unions have been fooled into believing their role was to aid their bosses' competitiveness. It's only meant that we have set ourselves at each others throats as we beggar ourselves as a sacrifice upon the alter of that false god, The Marketplace, in turn beggaring our coworkers at other companies as concessions roll from employer to employer while our unions approach the situation on a company by company basis.
Sorry, but history and the present reality do not support the assertions you have made.
In solidarity with PITbull, Lightyears, 700UW and the others who can see beyond their fears. Keep up the good fight! You are in the company of heros.
-Airlineorphan
Ummm, el Gato.....
When you catch your breath, you might want to catch up on the news at Southwest these days. Seems pretty adversarial between the f/a's and Mr. Parker over there at the LUV factory.
When you are done catching up on that, you might also want to catch up on your history. The rights we take for granted today are because some workers back in the day realized that labor and management have a fundamentally adversarial relationship and that unless workers were organized, management would always have the upper hand in that conflict. They got organized and made a difference under worse economic conditions that we see today! Defeat for their struggles often meant starvation or a bullet from the police or the National Guard or the Pinkertons. Nope, everything we have had to be fought for.... It wasn't bestowed by the magnanimity of a beneficent and generous management.
The point where labor has gone off the rails in this country has been the point where it forgot that basic fact and thought the guard could be lowered. Where labor unions have been fooled into believing their role was to aid their bosses' competitiveness. It's only meant that we have set ourselves at each others throats as we beggar ourselves as a sacrifice upon the alter of that false god, The Marketplace, in turn beggaring our coworkers at other companies as concessions roll from employer to employer while our unions approach the situation on a company by company basis.
Sorry, but history and the present reality do not support the assertions you have made.
In solidarity with PITbull, Lightyears, 700UW and the others who can see beyond their fears. Keep up the good fight! You are in the company of heros.
-Airlineorphan
Seatacus
Veteran
El Gato Since you don't care why are you trying to wind everybody up. Your true colors are showing and I am not falling for it................El Gato said:
You are just another windup artist from another company doing this to be spiteful. Nice try.....
Seatacus
Veteran
Actually this post reminds of that Devo song called "Whip it" because this subject has been whipped to death.mweiss said:
airlineorphan
Senior
- Aug 20, 2002
- 380
- 0
Seatactus quotes mweiss and appropriately invokes Devo's immortal hit:
Of course, Nine Inch Nails' "Head like a Hole" comes to mind as well. I believe I quoted it bere before:
"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve!"
and so forth....
-Airlineorphan
Of course, Nine Inch Nails' "Head like a Hole" comes to mind as well. I believe I quoted it bere before:
"Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve!"
and so forth....
-Airlineorphan
- Banned
- #43
For you Airline Orphan!airlineorphan said:
Solidarity Forever!
When the union's inspiration through worker's blood shall run, There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun; Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one, For the union makes us strong.
Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, For the union makes us strong
Is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite; Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might? Is there anything left to us but to organize and fight? For the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, For the union makes us strong
It is we who ploughed the prairies, built the cities where they trade, Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid; Now we stand outcast and starving 'mid the wonders we have made, But the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, For the union makes us strong
All the world that's owned by idle drones is ours and ours alone We have laid the wide foundations, built it skyward stone by stone. It is ours, not to slave in, but to master and to own. While the union makes us strong.
Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, For the union makes us strong
They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn, But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel will turn; But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel will turn; We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn; That the union makes us strong
Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, For the union makes us strong
In our hands is placed a power greater than their hoarded gold, Greater than the might of armies magnified a thousand fold; We can bring to birth a new world from the ashes of the old, For the union makes us strong.
Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever, For the union makes us strong
"Solidarity," Words by Ralph Chaplin
local 12 proud
Veteran
- Mar 5, 2004
- 4,265
- 4
el gato, you better layoff the el cracko dude :blink: you think everyone who is non union appreciates their lordship employer and is getting paid what they are worth? how about one of this countrys most profitable fortune 500 companies WALMART, you know where you shop for less and buy all your made in the r.o.c. "stuff". walmart is a prime example why unions came into being. they take advantage of people expecting them to work overtime with NO PAY, your about as far removed from reality as they come dude. everytime the "peasants" try to organize they get #### canned, hey since your so pro company perhaps you could be a wally world greeter and get your minimum wage. OR PERHAPS YOUR JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE THE SKILLS TO GET UNION REPRESENTATIONEl Gato said:
airlineorphan
Senior
- Aug 20, 2002
- 380
- 0
Thanks 700UW! Glad to know there are some who understand that if we don't hang together we shall surely hang separately!
-Airlineorphan
P.S. Here's a couple right back at you:
Which Side Are You On?
Come all you good workers,
Good news to you I'll tell
Of how the good old union
Has come in here to dwell.
CHORUS:
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
My dady was a miner,
And I'm a miner's son,
And I'll stick with the union
'Til every battle's won.
They say in Harlan County
There are no neutrals there.
You'll either be a union man
Or a thug for J. H. Blair.
Oh workers can you stand it?
Oh tell me how you can?
Will you be a lousy scab
Or will you be a man?
Don't scab for the bosses,
Don't listen to their lies.
Us poor folks haven't got a chance
Unless we organize.
And another:
The Banks are Made of Marble
A Song by Les Rice
I've traveled round this country
From shore to shining shore
It really made me wonder
The things I heard and saw. I saw the weary farmer
Plowing sod and loam
l heard the auction hammer
A knocking down his home
But the banks are made of marble
With a guard at every door
And the vaults are stuffed with silver
That the farmer sweated for
l saw the seaman standing
Idly by the shore
l heard the bosses saying
Got no work for you no more
But the banks are made of marble
With a guard at every door
And the vaults are stuffed with silver
That the seaman sweated for
I saw the weary miner
Scrubbing coal dust from his back
I heard his children cryin
Got no coal to heat the shack
But the banks are made of marble
With a guard at every door
And the vaults are stuffed with silver
That the miner sweated for
I've seen my brothers working
Throughout this mighty land
l prayed we'd get together
And together make a stand
Final Chorus
Then we'd own those banks of marble
With a guard at every door
And we'd share those vaults of silver
That we have sweated for
-Airlineorphan
P.S. Here's a couple right back at you:
Which Side Are You On?
Come all you good workers,
Good news to you I'll tell
Of how the good old union
Has come in here to dwell.
CHORUS:
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
My dady was a miner,
And I'm a miner's son,
And I'll stick with the union
'Til every battle's won.
They say in Harlan County
There are no neutrals there.
You'll either be a union man
Or a thug for J. H. Blair.
Oh workers can you stand it?
Oh tell me how you can?
Will you be a lousy scab
Or will you be a man?
Don't scab for the bosses,
Don't listen to their lies.
Us poor folks haven't got a chance
Unless we organize.
And another:
The Banks are Made of Marble
A Song by Les Rice
I've traveled round this country
From shore to shining shore
It really made me wonder
The things I heard and saw. I saw the weary farmer
Plowing sod and loam
l heard the auction hammer
A knocking down his home
But the banks are made of marble
With a guard at every door
And the vaults are stuffed with silver
That the farmer sweated for
l saw the seaman standing
Idly by the shore
l heard the bosses saying
Got no work for you no more
But the banks are made of marble
With a guard at every door
And the vaults are stuffed with silver
That the seaman sweated for
I saw the weary miner
Scrubbing coal dust from his back
I heard his children cryin
Got no coal to heat the shack
But the banks are made of marble
With a guard at every door
And the vaults are stuffed with silver
That the miner sweated for
I've seen my brothers working
Throughout this mighty land
l prayed we'd get together
And together make a stand
Final Chorus
Then we'd own those banks of marble
With a guard at every door
And we'd share those vaults of silver
That we have sweated for
