AWA ALPA Thread for the Week 9/14-9/20

[Junebug172]

...first quarter of 2008.

So now its the first quarter of next year.

Can't wait for the next update.

 

[EastUS]

I guarantee 2500 pilots did not send in money.

If you got a couple hundred I'd be shocked.

This coming from someone who has 10 hours phone conversations.

Vinnie/Guido dilact for effect: You'se wants 'dat I should'reposts your/AWA fantasists' earlier postings as per how's many cards would be sent in to decertify 'dese Alpoid bums?

My standard on the amusement quality herein

 

[Junebug172]

Vinnie/Guido dilact for effect: You'se wants 'dat I should'reposts your/AWA fantasists' earlier postings as per how many cards would be sent in to decertify dese Alpoid bums?

My standard on the amusement quality herein

I was refering to the number of pilots sending in money, not cards.

And I still think it isn't more than a couple of hundred.

Read my post!!

 

[EastUS]

I was refering to the number of pilots sending in money, not cards.

And I still think it isn't more than a couple of hundred.

Read my post!!

" was refering to the number of pilots sending in money, not cards." Ah!..The quibbling begins...sure that you wouldn't be better refreshed via drawing up an avalanche of all the AWA postings that've proved so utterly wrong thus far?

No matter, I'll summarize = "It's over!"...etc..so don't fret your little heart out

 

[nostradamus]

What's/up/with/this/shitty/way/you/keep/typing?

It's f'ing/god damn annoying!

Good point Henry Kissinger.

 

[Phoenix]

I was refering to the number of pilots sending in money, not cards.

And I still think it isn't more than a couple of hundred.

Read my post!!

He did read it. Ok. He was too presumptuous that you could actually follow the point.

Just like you said USAPA wouldn't get no cards, you are now saying they won't get no donations. You're probably right... the whole USAPA nightmare will be gone in the morning. Nothing to fret over. Sweet dreems.

 

[BottomFeeder]

I guarantee 2500 pilots did not send in money.

If you got a couple hundred I'd be shocked.

This coming from someone who has 10 hours phone conversations.

Just like you guaranteed that:
*we were the vocal minority
*we did not have enough cards
*the Nic award would be handed down

with your lack of judgement... they should keep you in the right seat for a long long time

don't touch anything jLj

 

[BottomFeeder]

(For those East pilots, with whom I have been having a civil and informative dialogue, please don't take offense to the following. It is aimed at the person that seems to be making the threats.)

USA320Pilot, this response is to you.

West pilots won't be paying dues to USAPA for quite awhile. Why do I say that?

1) Because if USAPA were to be voted in, absent any agreement that unifies the pilot groups (which I suspect would need to include language accepting Nicolau), West pilots would still belong to ALPA and pay dues there.
Wrong
2) If USAPA were voted in, it is likely that any lawsuit filed by or on behalf of West pilots, would ask for a Temporary Restraining Order and seek a Permanent Injunction against USAPA making any determination that any West pilot was in Bad Standing absent a court order or judgment to the contrary.
Wrong

There are more possibilities, but those are the ones that immediately spring to mind USA320Pilot. You seem to be on the wrong side to be making statements like "There is no way out of this mess for the AWA pilots and the sooner they listen to the EC, Rice Committee, Doug Parker, and the US Airways MEC the sooner a deal can be reached that has "realistic solutions" to the Nicolau Award or the AWA pilots will be forced to pay USAPA union dues in the first quarter of 2008." BTW, just what did happen yesterday in connection with the ALPA Executive Council meeting?

Desperate and wrong again

BTW, the legal bills alone for USAPA will likely far exceed that $500,000.00.

AWA will have to come up with their own funds to sue it's own new union. Good Luck and have deep pockets

 

[Junebug172]

Just like you guaranteed that:
*we were the vocal minority
*we did not have enough cards
*the Nic award would be handed down

with your lack of judgement... they should keep you in the right seat for a long long time

don't touch anything jLj

1. You are the minority. Most of those cards were turned in to make a point. If they do force a vote, USAPA won't be voted in.

2. Keep hearing "in two weeks." Well, its been "two weeks" again and again.

3. Its coming.

 

[USA320Pilot]

If USAPA was not a threat then why did ALPA write "Just the Facts II" and why does the AWA MEC focus on the threat?

In regard to Junebug's comment that "This coming from someone who has 10 hours phone conversations," well this shows how little he knows. As I indicated earlier I flew on a jet and sat next to the USAPA president for 10 hours flying back and forth between PIT & SFO. And, we spoke at length in SFO, but how would Junebug know. He was not there.

Speaking of Junebug he has 3 year's of tenure at AWA and he was hired in 2004.

Does USAPA need money? Absolutely. Does ALPA need money? Absolutely.

Once ALPA is removed from the property the West pilots will no longer have ALPA support or money. Any legal action taken by the West pilots would have to be funded directly from the pilot's wallets and they would have no infrstructure or support because their MEC, Office Staff, Legal Department and other resources would be disbanded.

Meanwhile, USAPA will have all of this in place.

Next the AWA pilots will be forced to pay part of their new union fees, which will go to the USAPA treasury.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[EastUS]

1. You are the minority. Most of those cards were turned in to make a point. If they do force a vote, USAPA won't be voted in.

2. Keep hearing "in two weeks." Well, its been "two weeks" again and again.

3. Its coming.

"1 If they do force a vote, USAPA won't be voted in."

My standard wager to AWA twerps = 5 grand, or as it suits you for more, says you're wrong

Aww..... come on...you were just bragging to an eastie about making so much more money ....

Ummm..spinal cord issues here?

OK...you're lurking about without any response...Sigh. "These people are a constant source of amusement"

Hmm..given that I now understand that you're a "he"...there are things that properly go with shooting one's mouth off within that context...ante up

Perhaps fifty cents would better suit your AWA high pay rate?

 

[Junebug172]

There you are kitten!! I was getting worried you were too scared to post.

Now, let's lee what nonsense you've come up with today.


If USAPA was not a threat then why did ALPA write "Just the Facts II" and why does the AWA MEC focus on the threat?

I wouldn't call it a threat. ALPA trying to put out a little truth to all the BS coming out of the east.

In regard to Junebug's comment that "This coming from someone who has 10 hours phone conversations," well this shows how little he knows. As I indicated earlier I flew on a jet and sat next to the USAPA president for 10 hours flying back and forth between PIT & SFO. And, we spoke at length in SFO, but how would Junebug know. He was not there.

Back and forth? Wow, that's even better than it being a phone conversation. You follow him around all day?


Speaking of Junebug he has 3 year's of tenure at AWA and he was hired in 2004.

You need to either email DB or HH for better info or pull out the proposed seniority list. Your "sources" either suck or are figments of your imagination.

Does USAPA need money? Absolutely. Does ALPA need money? Absolutely.

ALPA's got a pretty good sized war chest, but I'm sure you already knew that. What was in that MCF? $90+ million?

Once ALPA is removed from the property the West pilots will no longer have ALPA support or money. Any legal action taken by the West pilots would have to be funded directly from the pilot's wallets and they would have no infrstructure or support because their MEC, Office Staff, Legal Department and other resources would be disbanded.

I don't even think we're a SBU so all you'd be doing is removing ALPA from the east side.

Meanwhile, USAPA will have all of this in place.

Where? The basement of Bradford's house?

Next the AWA pilots will be forced to pay part of their new union fees, which will go to the USAPA treasury.

No AWA pilot is going to be forced to pay anything.

And just an observation. Did you notice how none of your own pilots on this board respect you?

 

[AWA320]

If USAPA was not a threat then why did ALPA write "Just the Facts II" and why does the AWA MEC focus on the threat?

In regard to Junebug's comment that "This coming from someone who has 10 hours phone conversations," well this shows how little he knows. As I indicated earlier I flew on a jet and sat next to the USAPA president for 10 hours flying back and forth between PIT & SFO. And, we spoke at length in SFO, but how would Junebug know. He was not there.

Speaking of Junebug he has 3 year's of tenure at AWA and he was hired in 2004.

Do you ever have any correct information???? Junebug has been around here for close to 10yrs

Does USAPA need money? Absolutely. Does ALPA need money? Absolutely.

Once ALPA is removed from the property the West pilots will no longer have ALPA support or money. Any legal action taken by the West pilots would have to be funded directly from the pilot's wallets and they would have no infrstructure or support because their MEC, Office Staff, Legal Department and other resources would be disbanded.

Bla bla bla! Stop your yaking and get it to the NMB already!!!! Were you supposed to be doing that in two weeks five weeks ago???

Meanwhile, USAPA will have all of this in place.

Sued and broke within six months

Next the AWA pilots will be forced to pay part of their new union fees, which will go to the USAPA treasury.

Forced how??? You would never ever in a million years get angency shop imposed on us. Second we would simply not pay, remember you showed all the way with your DCO cancellations remember??? Never ever pay USAPA a penny but again good luck getting Parker to impose agency shop, you can even get parity yet you think this management team listens to you


Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[AAA73Pilot]

AWA320 Wrote:

Forced how??? You would never ever in a million years get angency shop imposed on us. Second we would simply not pay, remember you showed all the way with your DCO cancellations remember??? Never ever pay USAPA a penny but again good luck getting Parker to impose agency shop, you can even get parity yet you think this management team listens to you

Wasn't it all you west guys saying we have to honor the current CBA and language if USAPA is elected? Isn't the closed shop language part of that contract? Or is it just selective enforcement of the contract provisions? If you participate, you can propose to have that language removed for the USAPA negotiated CBA.

 

[700UW]

Knowing Jerry Glass' M.O. better check the DCO language, bet you it is ALPA specific, Jerry crafted numerous agreements with union specific language.

When the NWA IBT represented FAs went PFAA, the CBA language was IBT specific and the PFAA could not collect dues from its membership via payroll.