AWA ALPA Thread for the Week 9/14-9/20

[prechilill]

Our only concern and plan of action is to seek a certification election. That is the only area in our scope and responsibility at the moment. BTW. Nice try. Next!

Your embryonic "union" should have quite a few concerns right now, not just one. Of course, most of you can't look past tomorrow, let alone execute a plan of birthing a new union so I can understand why you only think USAPA has one concern at the moment. Your statement is just another piece of evidence why your latest splinter group venture will never materialize.

 

[Phoenix]

Your right about one thing. USAPA will not defend any pilot executing a sickout on 9/21. It's not our responsibility to defend pilots we don't represent yet. It's now plainly obvious that this action by design is meant to drag USAPA into a battle that is not our concern. It won't happen. No amount of supposedly "planted" evidence will pass muster with any court. In PHL, I know one person who was passing out the flyers. And he's not a USAPA supporter.

Our only concern and plan of action is to seek a certification election. That is the only area in our scope and responsibility at the moment. ALPA's misguided attempts to place the blame for such an action on a challenger only demonstrates once again the credibility we carry within the pilot group.

BTW. Nice try. Next!

Would ALPA engage in thug tactics? Say it isn't so. Its only 11 million a year that is up for grabs. Surely ALAP has scruples and wouldn't stoop to that.

Do I need to keep my pets inside at night?

So what we know is that the West has been spreading the rumor about a "red lanyard" day on the 21st. They then tell us that means we are "sicking out." Then flyers mysteriously show up in the crew room about an organized sickout, with *gasp* the USAPA logo.

Smells like a provocateur in the midst. <_<

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Would ALPA engage in thug tactics? Say it isn't so. Its only 11 million a year that is up for grabs. Surely ALAP has scruples and wouldn't stoop to that.

Do I need to keep my pets inside at night?

So what we know is that the West has been spreading the rumor about a "red lanyard" day on the 21st. They then tell us that means we are "sicking out." Then flyers mysteriously show up in the crew room about an organized sickout, with *gasp* the USAPA logo.

Smells like a provocateur in the midst. <_<

Amazing isn't it? I have mine locked up also.

 

[electricjet98]

West 1:East 0

We heard your PHL FO rep really "screwed the pooch" on his presentation!



THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that, having heard the presentations of the AAA MEC and AWA MEC with respect to the proposed dispute under the Transition Agreement as to operation under a single FAA operating certificate and having fully considered the issues, the Executive Council makes the following determinations:



1. The MECs agree that, in the absence of a dispute resolution procedure between the MECs to determine the position of the Association as to the single FAA operating certificate issue raised by the AAA MEC and by management under Section X of the Transition Agreement, the Executive Council is the ALPA governing body that should determine the Association position.



2. Interpretation and application of ALPA Merger Policy, Part 1.D.4 as to “reasonable measures to provideâ€￾ for separation of “flight operations, equipment and existing flyingâ€￾ should be in the context of the governing Transition Agreement among the parties.



3. The Transition Agreement requires that the AAA and AWA pilot workforces remain separate and covered by their respective agreements until stipulated conditions for “Operational Pilot Integrationâ€￾ have been met. Section VI.A. of the Transition Agreement also provides: “The Airline Parties will make every reasonable effort in good faith to secure a single FAA operating certificate for America West and US Airways as promptly as practicable.â€￾ The Transition Agreement does not include a provision that prohibits management from acquiring and operating under a single FAA operating certificate while maintaining separate operations. Section IV.C. of the Transition Agreement expressly contemplates the potential for a Single Carrier while maintaining separate operations (a Single Carrier being defined in Section III.A. as one corporation employing the pilots of America West and US Airways and operating as a single carrier with a single FAA operating certificate).



4. The AWA MEC and AAA MEC differ as to whether the Transition Agreement may reasonably be construed to prohibit such action by management. The AAA MEC did not present sufficient evidence of bargaining history or intent of the parties to support an interpretation prohibiting such action by management.



5. In this instance, in the absence of agreement between the MECs on a common position, there is an insufficient basis for the Association to raise this issue for resolution under Section X of the Transition Agreement or take a position in opposition to an interpretation permitting management to acquire and operate under a single FAA operating certificate in compliance with the separate operations provisions of the Transition Agreement, and



BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Association remains committed to the provisions of the Transition Agreement, which prohibit the Operational Pilot Integration in the absence of all three required elements: the integrated seniority list, the negotiation of a single agreement, and the issuance of the single FAA operating certificate.

 

[Phoenix]

To: All US Airways Pilots
From: John McIlvenna, AWA MEC Chairman Jack Stephan, AAA MEC Chairman

US Airways management has asserted that pilots have been “encouraged by crew room posters to participate in a ‘No Fly Day’ planned for September 21.â€￾


Information has been received that posters were labeled with the USAPA logo....


This is to inform you that USAPA does not have the resources or authority to represent you ....

The company has already illegally violated the rights of pilots to assemble and discuss USAPA. (Why does the company prefer ALPA?)

ALPA now admits to carrying the water for the company. (Not a surprise. ALPA and the company have done just fine over the years.)

Who gave the twin sisters information that, gasp the *USAPA* label was on the flyers (They didn't say USAPA passed them out, just that the *gasp* "label" was on it, based on "secret anonymous information".)

ALPA didn't have the balls to say USAPA WAS actually encouraging a sick out but only deceitfully implied they did based on "information received".

How stupid does ALPA think USAPA is? How stupid does Pohn Jater thank we are?

This only illustrates exactly why ALPA is DOA come the election.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Your embryonic "union" should have quite a few concerns right now, not just one. Of course, most of you can't look past tomorrow, let alone execute a plan of birthing a new union so I can understand why you only think USAPA has one concern at the moment. Your statement is just another piece of evidence why your latest splinter group venture will never materialize.

"Embryonic" as compared to who? ALPA? Yes we are. Our concern is to get an election. That is all we need to do now. The rest will come later. But, thankfully more capable people than me are formulating the strategy for the upcoming campaign. The NMB has told us it would be at least 3 months after filing before an actual election can be held. So there is plenty of time for your "Tomorrow(s)".

In the meantime, I hope you and the rest of the ALPA supporters can do a little better than send threatening unsigned letters telling us only one side of the story. Watching ALPA tap dance defending the failures of the past will be interesting to say the least. Starting with the failed Constitution and ByLaws that can be interpreted as "guidelines".

 

[Junebug172]

only about 300 of you have stepped-up to the plate and sent a donation.

I'm right on the money - as usual.

And P.S. to the east.

Your TA dispute has been denied as will your motion to overturn the award.

More to follow.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I'm right on the money - as usual.

And P.S. to the east.

Your TA dispute has been denied as will your motion to overturn the award.

More to follow.

Just wondering what effect this will have on the future SBU ruling? IMO Make it a little easier?

 

[Junebug172]

Just wondering what effect this will have on the future SBU ruling? IMO Make it a little easier?

I disagree.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I disagree.

Now how did I know you would disagree?

That's what I like about you. You're predictable.

 

[Junebug172]

Now how did I know you would disagree?

That's what I like about you. You're predictable.

Predictable and always right.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Predictable and always right.

That's debatable. But keep it up. I like your information.

 

[Junebug172]

That's debatable. But keep it up. I like your information.

OK, how about this one:

The EC voted today to present the list.

 

[Junebug172]

West 5:East 0

East is SHUT OUT!!!!!! BLANKED!!!!!!

- denied MCF funding for their Pay Parity campaign

- AWA MEC has MCF funding reinstated

- ALPA National will pick up all costs and responsibility for defending the list

- ALPA will present the list to the company


Tough day for the east.

 

[Phoenix]

OK, how about this one:

The EC voted today to present the list.

If true, that explains why the West and ALPA EC have been floating the fabrication that USAPA has been pushing for a sick out.