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[N109UW]

I'm happy that's over with!!!

What about creating more lines of flying so people don't have to sit on reserve for 20 years? Does there really need to be so much open time?

Reserves should be just that. A person you call to work for irregular operations. USeast has the most inefficient scheduling system. We are the only airline that reschedules itself every day. :wacko:

US East has never used thier reserves the way the should. US Air has always used their reserves as a flying position. The result is all the inefficiency. When they put our new reserve system in, iy was designed to complment Preferential Bidding. However, the union and senior F/A's don't want Pref Bidding. SO they only put half of the equation in. That is why it doesn't work. If they put the Pref Bid. in that would help us get to where we need to be interms of F/A's needed on the property. It would also do away with Secondary lines. As of now, US East reserves don't even know what their schedule is for Nov. They won't have those results back until Oct. 25 or 26th. Primary BH are already doing Dec Bids. It's pretty sad over here in that respect.
Hopefully, they will do something to correct this, so you folks over at US west will never have to suffer like we have. God bless you all.

 

[TheNewLowFare]

Well it would be great to get a new reserve system that what U East has. Unfort, with Carol A representing USEast at the table the reserves will once again get screwed by her. She doesn't care about the reserves as she has shown us many times. If it was up to Carol reserves wouldn't be able to pick up ETB trips. She felt that with a Reserve picking this time up that it would take trips away from her senior friends. As a reserve we can hope for a new reserve system along with a new reserve chair!

Well with the reserve system going up to 20 years and merging with a young airline like America West, it is imperative that we improve this area. US/West is currently in mediation and we hope US/East will support us in getting our contract soon. The sooner we can improve our contract here, the better it will get once we integrate both US and HP contracts. We just hope our MECs negotiate rotating reserves in our contract and improve this area, so it would be attractive to line holders!

 

[Whatnow?]

Here's a question....Are they actually going to continue negotiating a contract with the US/West F/A's or are they going to negotiate a brand new contract for both? :huh:

 

[TheNewLowFare]

Here's a question....Are they actually going to continue negotiating a contract with the US/West F/A's or are they going to negotiate a brand new contract for both? :huh:

This is what I've heard. The Company wants us to concentrate on integrating our contract with US Airways contract and start all over after the contract expires or accept the current negotiated items with zero pay increase for 5 years. Although I think we have more flexibility in our contract and get more vacation time, we won't get the same pay increases that you guys have and that is why we are in mediation.

 

[ItsNotThatSerious]

I read it and I still don't think you should be able to pick up a trip off the ETB (especailly the INT) when they belong to another base. Those of us that are in PHL like those trips. Okay, let me make this deal with you...let me go back to PIT and let me steal your trips. You live in a crashpad over here in PHL with tons of people and only be back in PIT 9 days a month. No ETB trips for you, because me being in PIT, I took them off of you. See my point??

Ummm isn't the ETB first come first serve? Then it really shouldn't matter what base you're based in. If the trip is on the ETB and you put in for it first you should get it. It should not matter where your based.

Nothing to do with change Desertgal. If they would allow me to sit reserve at home and pick up a trip, then so be it. When you are sitting in a base away from home, opinions are much different. Unless it is something that is effecting you, you can't understand it.

At least your still active...and you could move!!! We all new when we took this job we might have to move.

 

[TheNewLowFare]

Ummm isn't the ETB first come first serve? Then it really shouldn't matter what base you're based in. If the trip is on the ETB and you put in for it first you should get it. It should not matter where your based.

At America West, the ETB (Personal trades/Drop Pick Ups) are first come , first serve also. It doesn't matter if the Vegas or Phoenix based flight attendants gets them as long as they are covered. It's all about sharing! Believe me, it is much easier to cover staffing when flight attendants are able to pick up your trips. If we want to reserve our trips to another flight attendant, we can put a password in it. Why don't you guys work out a system that if you want only PHL based flight attendants to pick up your trip, put a password in the system. If nobody in PHL picks up your trip and you are getting desperate to drop them, then post it systemwide! We have that system in PHX and it's so much better, plus once we get Satelite bases...this would give us more opportunity to pick up those trips in those satelite bases. (I'm not really sure yet how that is going to work out of course and if we ever get a contract.) This would really avoids insufficient staffing and F/As calling in sick.

 

[N109UW]

At America West, the ETB (Personal trades/Drop Pick Ups) are first come , first serve also. It doesn't matter if the Vegas or Phoenix based flight attendants gets them as long as they are covered. It's all about sharing! Believe me, it is much easier to cover staffing when flight attendants are able to pick up your trips. If we want to reserve our trips to another flight attendant, we can put a password in it. Why don't you guys work out a system that if you want only PHL based flight attendants to pick up your trip, put a password in the system. If nobody in PHL picks up your trip and you are getting desperate to drop them, then post it systemwide! We have that system in PHX and it's so much better, plus once we get Satelite bases...this would give us more opportunity to pick up those trips in those satelite bases. It avoids flight attendants calling in sick and insufficient staffing.

US East has always wanted to keep PHL time in the PHL base. Same goes for the other bases. Usually, only that bases F/A's can pick up trips in their base. Some irregular circumstances do change this, but for the most part, time stays in it's own base. As I stated earler, US East has never used their reserves properly. I'm not sure about your ETB, but ours(US East) was created so BH could drop trips to lower their monthly obligation. As of right now, that is the only way to lessen it. You can trip improve, but you are still responsible for the time elsewhere. Because our system doesn't work, reserves have to give up some of their 11 days off inorder to get above 71 hours(guarantee). Sure, we get more time, but we sit on duty and don't fly on our on-duty days. If you take a 4 day trip on the first of the month, plan on not flying until about the 14 or 15th. You would already have about 21 hours and you would have to wait until the other 300 reserves im yoour base get close to you again. Is your system any better than this? I would hope so. If they would just but the GD Friggin Pref Bid in, that would help alot.

 

[hulagirl]

You guys, with regard to the verbage on the previous page, let's try to make this merger work.
We don't know SQUAT about what the company will keep/get rid of/adapt with regard to procedures.
There is no point in arguing about this stuff.
The seniority issue is resolved. We are one company. Do we need to keep fighting over things we have no control over?
Let's really try to build bridges rather than burn them.
I am so anxious to meet my new co-workers at US East, and I have heard the same from so many of my co-workers at US West.
The other issues will present themselves in due time. Let's look forward, begin anew, and stay positive!

 

[TheNewLowFare]

I'm not having an argument hulagirl, just having an informative conversation with our fellow f/as at us east about work rules and comparing contracts. I don't know if you read your AFA updates, but according to our MEC President Gary; the Letter of Agreement that he signed with Mike Flores was the victory that we at AmWest needed. We now have an agreement that both parties will negotiate the needed protections that will benefit us all. What we also gained is a group of great east coast flight attendants that are ready and willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with us in getting us a contract that addresses pay, working conditions, and healthcare benefits. This will affect them to you know? They need improvement in their contract and here's that chance. Over the next few weeks the Contract Merger Committee will be meeting with the Company to hammer out the details of the transition agreements and fence agreements.

I too would like to bring peace and positiveness into this transition and communication is the definetely the key.

 

[firstamendment]

I'm not having an argument hulagirl, just having an informative conversation with our fellow f/as at us east about work rules and comparing contracts. I don't know if you read your AFA updates, but according to our MEC President Gary; the Letter of Agreement that he signed with Mike Flores was the victory that we at AmWest needed. We now have an agreement that both parties will negotiate the needed protections that will benefit us all. What we also gained is a group of great east coast flight attendants that are ready and willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with us in getting us a contract that addresses pay, working conditions, and healthcare benefits. This will affect them to you know? They need improvement in their contract and here's that chance. Over the next few weeks the Contract Merger Committee will be meeting with the Company to hammer out the details of the transition agreements and fence agreements.

I too would like to bring peace and positiveness into this transition and communication is the definetely the key.

I agree here. Our converns are much the same.
Ours are specific here:

Weekend obligation--if you are schedule to work a weekend after SAP , you are stuck with it...PERIOD. HORRIBLE rule.

Deadhead_ Pay, no credit at 50% ..too many 4 hour 2 days and 14 hour four days...pitiful!!

Sickpay---paid 70% of value

Vacation---top out at 21 days...a big fat JOKE!!

RESERVE SYSTEM...Just sucks!! No life!!

Your turn US EAST

 

[UWCactus]

I agree here. Our converns are much the same.
Ours are specific here:

Weekend obligation--if you are schedule to work a weekend after SAP , you are stuck with it...PERIOD. HORRIBLE rule.

Deadhead_ Pay, no credit at 50% ..too many 4 hour 2 days and 14 hour four days...pitiful!!

Sickpay---paid 70% of value

Vacation---top out at 21 days...a big fat JOKE!!

RESERVE SYSTEM...Just sucks!! No life!!

Your turn US EAST

Heres a few of the things that are popular or factual in the hp contract.

top out pay: $37.59 per hour (not all that great)

Vacation: top out at 35 days per year, paid at 4.5 credits per day. Weeks are in blocks of 7 days.
Vacation drop: company allow you drop UP TO 4 duty periods (4 day trip or less) on either or both sides of you vacation group. The only catch is..you pick up the same amount of time you dropped. So basically you move your days around. If your seniority allows it, you can hold "vacation low" which allows you not to pick up the dropped time. We pretty much love this vacation policy.

More later.......

 

[TheNewLowFare]

I agree here. Our converns are much the same.
Ours are specific here:

Weekend obligation--if you are schedule to work a weekend after SAP , you are stuck with it...PERIOD. HORRIBLE rule.

Deadhead_ Pay, no credit at 50% ..too many 4 hour 2 days and 14 hour four days...pitiful!!

Sickpay---paid 70% of value

Vacation---top out at 21 days...a big fat JOKE!!

RESERVE SYSTEM...Just sucks!! No life!!

Your turn US EAST

Working weekends and not being able to drop it after getting your schedule is a horrible rule. We don't have that and all of our LECs Officers better not negotiate this in the integrated contract. That doesn't leave any room for any flexibility. I can't believe they agreed to do this to you guys, but I'm sure this is a lesson learned. I've been here 14 years with 11 years as a Flight Attendant and get 33 days. We can also drop down to zero on vacation months which we are thankful for and also allowed to drop down to 40 if we can get other flight attendants to pick up our trips. This helps our company and the workgroup tremendously since they don't have to pay the senior crew higher pay. We are also allowed to auto drop our trips if we want to. I don't know if you guys have that, but it is one of those scheduling benefits that we have. Being able to auto our overnights or turns if we call scheduling or fax it in a day in advance. It's one of those cost effective things that we have since scheduling can assign those to a lesser paid F/A. I have great confidence that our MEC Officers won't negotiate a restrictive contract like yours since this would affect them too. As our MEC president have said, we have gained a commitment to work toward an agreement to make the America West - US Airways merger successful for all AFA Members at the New US Airways. We have to have faith and be proactive that not only will we have a successful airline, we will also have a successful and better combined contract than what we have before.

 

[HPGUY]

Obviously you didnt see the post that i was responding too. AWA reserves that are in LAS are allowed to pick up trips that are open in PHX. Someone was asking if Ueast f/a's are allowed to pick up trips from another base. That answer is NO. But as a 20 yr reserve in PIT who has many times gotten assigned out of base PHL trips, I responded that I think we should be allowed to pick up ETB trips in other bases, they can assign me to fly out of base trips. When it is at company convenience they can send us over their to cover their butts, but we cant do it at our convenience. What difference does it make...if all those f/a's in other bases would pick up trips there would be no need to send dozens of out of base f/a's there to cover them.

There should be a Schedule Adjustment Window (something like the first 48hrs open time is available for pick-up / trades). With in that time open time will be available to in base FAs on a first come first serve basis. After that ... the open time is made available to all system-wide on a seniority basis.

How does that sound to you peeps?

 

[TheNewLowFare]

There should be a Schedule Adjustment Window (something like the first 48hrs open time is available for pick-up / trades). With in that time open time will be available to in base FAs on a first come first serve basis. After that ... the open time is made available to all system-wide on a seniority basis.

How does that sound to you peeps?

Or do what we currently do at HP. Put a password on your trips and reserve them and if nobody picks them up, then release it system wide. Why let your trips sit there if nobody wants to pick them up? We have a message system in our maestro program where we can email the flight attendants. I have heard flight attendants buying trips from others. There used to be a F/A here (She was a senior mama) who used to buy turns days from other junior F/As. This is a good system. Not only are you able to get rid of your trips, you're also getting paid from the F/A that buys your trips!

 

[firstamendment]

Working weekends and not being able to drop it after getting your schedule is a horrible rule. We don't have that and all of our LECs Officers better not negotiate this in the integrated contract. That doesn't leave any room for any flexibility. I can't believe they agreed to do this to you guys, but I'm sure this is a lesson learned.

Yeah, we went from first to worst in contract favorability.