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I agree with you totally!!!!
I am voting no, on everything except maybe the electronic ballot.
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APFA Constitutional Amendments
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I agree with you totally!!!!
I am voting no, on everything except maybe the electronic ballot.
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Sorry. I'm voting yes. The union still has to deal with furlough issues even though you're furloughed.
It's like this: If you think you won't be called back, don't pay, don't vote, and pay the price of admission when you get called back. Otherwise pay the amount every month, you get to vote, and you won't be hammered when you get called back.
Seriously Chris, for what representation? Whether you vote or not, you will still be required to pay up when recalled. For what representation? And no vote in the meantime? Price of admission? To what? The membership initiation fee is only $50. Admission to the country club? I don't think anyone would have balked at a greatly reduced amt. But full fare for minimal services? You're kidding, right? The APFA is so afraid of a "no" vote on a strike that they would sink to this level? Even though SLT at one time had all of the furloughed former TWA 4200, the base budget was reduced to only active levels. As I said, what representation? As more and more are furloughed, less and less voices will be heard. Its the APFA way.
This resolution is nothing more than an old fashioned POLL TAX. Another means of controlling votes. Didn't anyone learn with the RPA and the other elections that have been challenged for misdeads?
Nancy, there's an awful lot of leg work and phone work that goes into fighting for and assisting those on furlough.
I don't think anyone who doesn't work here should vote, whether they are original AA or former TWA. I have a great dislike of the way TWA FAs have bloc voted in the past. My brethren opts not to vote on anything but contract elections, your brethren turned the tide on two major votes that cost me a lot of money; THB and Glading. You and your cronies helped put both in office. What did either one do for you? If it means there can be no TWA bloc vote and they wanted you to pay a million dollars on the way back to work,e I'd vote yes.
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You've never been furloughed have you? Or, are you joking? When I was out for 17 months, I can't tell you how many times I called the APFA only to be put on hold as soon as they looked up my employee number and realized I was a furloughed f/a. The hold would last until they decided that I would not hang up in frustration, or until they "accidentally" disconnected me. Yeah, they're really dealing with furlough issues. About as much as the company is dealing with its labor issues.
Those of you who believe those evil former TW f/as are responsible for everything wrong with your job today will probably carry the day, but don't think you will win in the long run. You crap all over the people on the bottom and eventually you will be that person on the bottom because the people below you will have left. I know of several of us "nAAtives" who are probably not going to come back if we are furloughed again. Even though you all take comfort and justify this amendment by thinking it only hurts the former TW f/as, you are wrong. Just remember, what goes around, comes around.
I love all this righteous indignation of "if you aren't working you shouldn't be able to vote" from people who have no problem with "I'm a flight attendant, but I never fly, and it's my right to clog up the seniority list forever."
You've never been furloughed have you? Or, are you joking? When I was out for 17 months, I can't tell you how many times I called the APFA only to be put on hold as soon as they looked up my employee number and realized I was a furloughed f/a. The hold would last until they decided that I would not hang up in frustration, or until they "accidentally" disconnected me. Yeah, they're really dealing with furlough issues. About as much as the company is dealing with its labor issues.
Those of you who believe those evil former TW f/as are responsible for everything wrong with your job today will probably carry the day, but don't think you will win in the long run. You crap all over the people on the bottom and eventually you will be that person on the bottom because the people below you will have left. I know of several of us "nAAtives" who are probably not going to come back if we are furloughed again. Even though you all take comfort and justify this amendment by thinking it only hurts the former TW f/as, you are wrong. Just remember, what goes around, comes around.
I love all this righteous indignation of "if you aren't working you shouldn't be able to vote" from people who have no problem with "I'm a flight attendant, but I never fly, and it's my right to clog up the seniority list forever."
Blah blah. If I get canned I will get another job. Who cares?
Bloc vote? Surely you are kidding. If there was so much outrage over JW, why did THB only win by a few votes? Afterall, seniority was the main focus of JWs campaign against THB. You would think he would have won by a landslide. As for "costing you money", how Chris? The STL base was the ONLY base to solidly vote no on the RPA. If I remember correctly there were 5 yes votes. Of course then we were the evil no voters who wanted to bring AA down. Now it is very rare that you can find someone who will admit to voting yes.
With as many f/as as there are at AA, you're going to throw out the baby with the bath water over 6-800 votes. WOW! There are approximately 18000 potential voters. What does that say about the state of affairs at the APFA? As more and more face the street with no furlough pay, lets really "get them" by charging them FULL dues for not a whole lot of representation. The current base budgets do not include $$s for the furloughed headcount. So how is that a great expense to the APFA? I would think money would be better spent educating the membership on the importance and responsibility of knowing the issues and VOTING.
As for you, if you lost your job, I for one world care. Good luck on another job with the flexibility, ease, benefits, and pay of the f/a job. The "real" world is quite different. which is why you have so many willing to come back after long furloughs. It is not that they can't find other jobs. Just not ones with the above perks.
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Where do you plan to get another job?... McDonalds? Starbucks? I know people who have been looking for work going on several months, and there ain't a lot of options out there...
Ouch! E, I think you might be surprised at the number of f/as with advanced degrees. Add to that the multiple languages and customers service skills and you have a pretty marketable employee. The issue becomes starting pay, and flexibility. At my department we used to hire with a BS, now you need a MSW and the job is 80% customer service. Much depends on networking and good resumes.
Many seem to forget that seniority is only about how many are under you. You can be number 1 but if there are only a few below you, you aren't senior.
Chris, all of our groups "questions" are pretty much figured out and passed on because there is no support from Euseless. NY WARN act violation in April for example. No help from APFA so we took the problem into our own hands.
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Smug? How about pragmatic instead of oblivious... Maybe you're not paying attention to the job market, but it sucks. Unemployment ain't just for unskilled labor.
Unless you're a nurse or a personal bankruptcy lawyer, there simply aren't a lot of options right now. I know a half dozen people with degrees and 10+ years of real world experience who have been out of work for six month or more.
Grad school admissions spiked this fall because college grads from May couldn't find jobs, so please explain where all the degreed FA's being furloughed are supposed to find work?
Even food service jobs are pretty hard to come by -- high school kids are being edged out of those jobs by people who can't find anything else...
Nancy, I suspect you are also seeing lower salary requirements even with your higher qualification requirement? Or maybe offering less? I've seen that as well... People aren't holding out for a better offer -- they're usually taking the first offer.
There are jobs out there if you have the right attitude, personality, and qualifications. I get pretty good job offers (legitimate) while working at AA all the time. These offers happen pretty much everytime I'm at work. Most of them are in sales.
I also have my teaching certification and know many people in the field who are always telling me to switch my career back and that they'd hire me in a second.
There aren't a lot of jobs for tired, hack, executives looking to rape and pillage companies. Those jobs that are left are already filled. Maybe you should tell your friends to switch careers? B)
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Funny. Most of the tired, hack executives have enough money in the bank where they don't need to work anymore. Wish I could say the same...
Actually, two of the six I was referring to *were* teachers in AZ -- between the economy, e-Verify and the border fence, school enrollment has dropped pretty substantially in PHX and TUS as the illegals head back to Mexico... They're also in a budget crisis as property values collapse and take tax valuations with it.... Combine the two, and you have over a thousand teachers & support staff who got whacked just in AZ.
The others are IT people, not corporate raiders. Their jobs went offshore to India.
