APFA Constitutional Amendments

[OneShotService]

Yes, oh smug one, all flight attendants who leave AA resume successful careers at fast food restaurants. Some even become janitors and dishwashers.

Gee, now that was an intelligent response.

Some of us flight attendants also become or are, lawyers & doctors!! We have several flight attendants based in LGA & JFK who are lawyers and doctors!!

 

[Skymess]

Funny. Most of the tired, hack executives have enough money in the bank where they don't need to work anymore. Wish I could say the same...

too bad for you huh?

Actually, two of the six I was referring to *were* teachers in AZ -- between the economy, e-Verify and the border fence, school enrollment has dropped pretty substantially in PHX and TUS as the illegals head back to Mexico... They're also in a budget crisis as property values collapse and take tax valuations with it.... Combine the two, and you have over a thousand teachers & support staff who got whacked just in AZ.

That's a problem. I've heard that Bloomberg is trying to cut teaching jobs in NYC. I know people in the suburbs of NY who are in key hiring positions.

 

[jersey777]

Gee, now that was an intelligent response.

Some of us flight attendants also become or are, lawyers & doctors!! We have several flight attendants based in LGA & JFK who are lawyers and doctors!!

Honestly! Don't you understand sarcasm?

 

[OneShotService]

Honestly! Don't you understand sarcasm?

Get you facts straight before you make such a comment. Remember, sarcasm gets you nowhere!

 

[eolesen]

Seems to me Jerry Seinfeld and David Letterman did pretty well with sarcasm...

Lots of lawyers do pretty well with sarcasm as well... sometimes it's the only way to show how ridiculous the opposition's case is.

 

[Bob Owens]

Where do you plan to get another job?... McDonalds? Starbucks? I know people who have been looking for work going on several months, and there ain't a lot of options out there...

Well I guess it depends on what you're selling. I know people who have found better paying jobs that dont require the personal sacrifice that the airlines demand and quit AA. Con Ed, MTA, etc are some of the places that I've seen them go.

 

[Bob Owens]

Chris, all of our groups "questions" are pretty much figured out and passed on because there is no support from Euseless. NY WARN act violation in April for example. No help from APFA so we took the problem into our own hands.

One of the very few things thats good about the RLA is that it allows us to take our fights to the court system which is slightly less rigged against workers than the arbitration system.

 

[Bob Owens]

Smug? How about pragmatic instead of oblivious... Maybe you're not paying attention to the job market, but it sucks. Unemployment ain't just for unskilled labor.

Unless you're a nurse or a personal bankruptcy lawyer, there simply aren't a lot of options right now. I know a half dozen people with degrees and 10+ years of real world experience who have been out of work for six month or more.

Grad school admissions spiked this fall because college grads from May couldn't find jobs, so please explain where all the degreed FA's being furloughed are supposed to find work?

Even food service jobs are pretty hard to come by -- high school kids are being edged out of those jobs by people who can't find anything else...


Nancy, I suspect you are also seeing lower salary requirements even with your higher qualification requirement? Or maybe offering less? I've seen that as well... People aren't holding out for a better offer -- they're usually taking the first offer.

Well it looks like the economy is hitting the white collar folks this time. Most of the people I know still are working two jobs. It only took my wife a few weeeks to re-enter the full time job market after at least a 12 year hiatus. So look at it this way, maybe you need to switch sides and cheer for us, if we can get our wages up we can give up the second job, that would create some opportunities for all you surplussed white collar guys to get your hands dirty and make a little money.

 

[Skymess]

Well it looks like the economy is hitting the white collar folks this time. Most of the people I know still are working two jobs. It only took my wife a few weeeks to re-enter the full time job market after at least a 12 year hiatus. So look at it this way, maybe you need to switch sides and cheer for us, if we can get our wages up we can give up the second job, that would create some opportunities for all you surplussed white collar guys to get your hands dirty and make a little money.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

Be careful what you wish for, and be even more careful how you vote. The constitutional changes APFA leadership is asking us to approve will not benefit members who pay dues. More money for the perpetually trip removed is a blank check to maintain their cushy lifestyles, and to reward their incompetence. APFA spends millions of dollars and can’t deliver a contract. Now they want more money and less democracy. They want to:

Modernize voting methods HELLO!!! Has anybody forgotten what happened last time APFA changed the way we vote? We ended up with concessions we didn’t approve and now we’re stuck with them.

Change the way the negotiating team is selected HELLO!!! APFA appoints who they want and who we elect doesn’t matter. We voted for Sam Morales, and he is sidelined because he is too independent for the powers that be.

Prevent us from taking a temporary assignment HELLO!!! While APFA leadership never has to fly, those of us who fly year after year might like to do training or a special assignment without having to pay APFA to rejoin the union! This is nothing but a fundraising drive for those who don’t want to fly, but who do want to get paid.

Raise the dues without our approval HELLO!!! APFA wants the dues increases without negotiating a pay raise for us. The same people who took a temporary pay pause while agreeing to permanent concessions for us do not need to be rewarded. They cut our pay and benefits by 30% but it didn’t apply to them.

Force people who aren’t working to pay dues. HELLO!!! APFA is betting they can sell this as a TWA issue. Nothing could be further from the truth. APFA can’t save jobs so we have to pay more. They want money from those on military leave, unpaid sick, maternity, IOD, in addition to the furloughed people. APFA should tighten their belt before asking us to support their lavish spending. If people can’t afford to take a leave without paying union dues, more people are going to be furloughed.

Rumors are flying of a thousand more furloughs in 2010. Rumors of another merger are in the news every day, which means a reduction in force. Airline industry analysts say further reductions in flying must happen to bring supply in line with demand. You will pay APFA for the pleasure of not having a job.

APFA can’t save jobs and can’t negotiate our contract, but they are great sloganeers. They embarrassed us with their Decline or Resign campaign. Management did neither. Next came Mayday is Payday. It wasn’t and again management laughed. APFA is spending thousands of dollars to sell us on paying more dues. If they had done their job to RESTORE & MORE what they gave away, people would have confidence in them. Instead, they are asking us to pay for their incompetence.

VOTE NO ON THE APFA POWER AND MONEY GRAB

 

[OneShotService]

Well said! The AAPFA in Useless, Tx., is PATHETIC! Laura GlAAding's compensation is $93,000 per year to do jack you know what!

Im VOTING H**L NO!

 

[galleyguy4u2]

Thank's One Shot. My ballot is in the mail as of today. All NO votes.

 

[Flyboy4u]

Thank's One Shot. My ballot is in the mail as of today. All NO votes.

Mine as well....Please read between the lines with this ballott.....What a joke!! Somebody please clarify how much I pay in Union dues for what?....Wow...No alll across the board!! NO!!! and HELL NO!!!!

 

[L1011Ret]

APFA's latest wrinkle is punish those members who are plaintiffs in the RPA lawsuit. APFA has has teamed up jointly with AA to file a lawsuit against the named plaintiffs in the RPA lawsuit to recover deposition costs. The suit specifies about $33000 in damages half for APFA and half for AA. I do not know how many plaintiffs are left but if it is say 10, then each member would cough up $3300 to be split jointly by AA/APFA. This is what a union does, sue those who are dissident. How disgusting. I did not think most labor unions would ever join the employer in suing members but APFA is a different set of unionists I personally would find hard to believe they represent "union" principles.

 

[IORFA]

Just trying to recover some costs from the lawsuits. Hope they get it all. It will benefit every member of APFA. It might make people think twice before they sue for no valid reason. They wasted too much of APFA's and AA's time. They should be compensated, even if it is just a drop in the bucket. Too bad they can't go after the ambulance chasers as well. Maybe some of the people on this board who made donations to the group in the past can do it again to help them out. Just a thought.