APFA Constitutional Amendments

[nbmcg01]

Maybe you see it as a gift but # 1 , you were not there so how can you make that statement and #2 , I'm sure JW was givin options on what to give up and what to keep. Afterall he brought us the best contract in AA history so I think he knows his stuff.

LOL! No, but I was there when Jane Allen told mangt. that the APFA had given it away. JW may have brought you a similar and maybe a little updated version of the DH. contract, but know his stuff in a concessionary negotiations, not a chance. No snap backs, not even the company having to provide an updated employee address/phone list which by the way is not only no cost but the life blood of a union. Seriously.

 

[IORFA]

APFA isn't as used to negotiating concessionary contracts as TWA was, so I wll give you that one.

 

[nbmcg01]

APFA isn't as used to negotiating concessionary contracts as TWA was, so I wll give you that one.

Unfortunately that is true. We learned early on dollar per hour is nice but work rules are more important. There are ways to make up for the loss of dollar per hour that make flyong more f/a friendly and are cost effective. My main objection is that the negotiated value was not used but instead the APFA allowed the company to determine concession value. Crazy.

 

[Maark767]

LOL! No, but I was there when Jane Allen told mangt. that the APFA had given it away. JW may have brought you a similar and maybe a little updated version of the DH. contract, but know his stuff in a concessionary negotiations, not a chance. No snap backs, not even the company having to provide an updated employee address/phone list which by the way is not only no cost but the life blood of a union. Seriously.

Gosh if only TWA had bought AA...
We'd all have our senority and we'd have the best contract out there.... What went wrong.. ??

 

[butchord45]

i'm sick of hearing about this contract that JW brought us...........Yeah Musicland used to sell me 8 track tapes.......but the tapes and musicland are long gone and aren't coming back......and neither is this phantom contract you keep bringing up.

Butch

 

[butchord45]

If JW was that smart he would have jettisoned the pension plan ........frozen current accruals and switched it to some sort of 401k match. That would have kept the majority of the contract in place.

Butch

 

[nbmcg01]

Gosh if only TWA had bought AA...
We'd all have our senority and we'd have the best contract out there.... What went wrong.. ??

Yes everyone would have their seniority.
As for contract both have/had good and bad. Your pay, most of our work rules. In a "perfect" world we could have cheery picked both contracts.

 

[Maark767]

If JW was that smart he would have jettisoned the pension plan ........frozen current accruals and switched it to some sort of 401k match. That would have kept the majority of the contract in place.

Butch

Sure AA would have gone for that...
Dont you remember it was a take it or leave it offer from AA ??? No nice guys at the table... They wanted it all or else...

 

[nbmcg01]

Sure AA would have gone for that...
Dont you remember it was a take it or leave it offer from AA ??? No nice guys at the table... They wanted it all or else...

I was just answering your "what if". Yes AA wanted it all. Obviously TWA had something of value and as Carty testified the most important asset was the employees. Wouldn't you liked to have been a fly on the wall of THOSE negotiations. Carty and Compton. There is a special place waiting for both of them....

 

[Flyboy4u]

Sure AA would have gone for that...
Dont you remember it was a take it or leave it offer from AA ??? No nice guys at the table... They wanted it all or else...

or else what? Bankruptcy? Seriously, that was a false threat, and of all F/A's those who are supposedly Senior at AA would have known that..Right? You guys have been there ,done that ,right? "Remember 93..Those Glorious years"..How we "AA"ctually showed the company who we really are? The mistake was AA never filed the bankruptcy they should have when they had the chance..BK is nothing more than a business tactic to relive yourself from debt, and move on..instead, the company decided to use it as a loaded gun, and supposedly told JW, and staff if they don't cave then guess what?....so tell me, What? It would have been worse off? , and you know that how? You are the judge? personally know the judge? Tell me more?...
Just look at the other airlines out there? Hmm....Let's see? UA? Hired off of the street, NOBODY on involutnary furlough, paid holidays, Please..Give me a break..You Seniors know it all! Hmmm...Delta? Now the worlds larges airline...Right? please correct me?..No furloughs..Hired off of the street...Hmm...What did they have in common? A Bk filing.
Point is JW and company didn't prepare for any negotations during the RPA of '03...In fact, he didn't want to believe his precious contract that he negotiated would even be gutted like it was, and when it came down to the last minute to come up with concessions his response was nothing more then throw it to the JR F/A's...Not knowing today...There are NO Jr F/a's in this company.
Also,...Those on here who want to talk about pay rates vs the other carriers?...give me a break...So , we may make "AA" (very) little more, exception being WN, then most ,but this industry has never been an industry where one can get rich. Right? Come on!

 

[damajagua]

I was just answering your "what if". Yes AA wanted it all. Obviously TWA had something of value and as Carty testified the most important asset was the employees. Wouldn't you liked to have been a fly on the wall of THOSE negotiations. Carty and Compton. There is a special place waiting for both of them....

TWA is gone.......get over it...........What does Carty and Compton have anything to do with the topic that is being discuss?

 

[L1011Ret]

TWA is gone.......get over it...........What does Carty and Compton have anything to do with the topic that is being discuss?

Who are you to order someone to 'get over it." I believe any person is entitled to voice their views without some arrogant poster telling them what to do.

 

[nbmcg01]

TWA is gone.......get over it...........What does Carty and Compton have anything to do with the topic that is being discuss?

Sorry I just answered a question..

 

[czerny]

Just got clarification from our base chair reg. the union dues issue on thi sballot. If you are on furlough and you decide not to pay union dues, you will have to set up a payment plan when you accept a recall back to base. What we told by APFA hdq was incorrect. So, please vote no. It isn't fair no matter how you look at it.

 

[damajagua]

or else what? Bankruptcy? Seriously, that was a false threat, and of all F/A's those who are supposedly Senior at AA would have known that..Right? You guys have been there ,done that ,right? "Remember 93..Those Glorious years"..How we "AA"ctually showed the company who we really are? The mistake was AA never filed the bankruptcy they should have when they had the chance..BK is nothing more than a business tactic to relive yourself from debt, and move on..instead, the company decided to use it as a loaded gun, and supposedly told JW, and staff if they don't cave then guess what?....so tell me, What? It would have been worse off? , and you know that how? You are the judge? personally know the judge? Tell me more?...
Just look at the other airlines out there? Hmm....Let's see? UA? Hired off of the street, NOBODY on involutnary furlough, paid holidays, Please..Give me a break..You Seniors know it all! Hmmm...Delta? Now the worlds larges airline...Right? please correct me?..No furloughs..Hired off of the street...Hmm...What did they have in common? A Bk filing.
Point is JW and company didn't prepare for any negotations during the RPA of '03...In fact, he didn't want to believe his precious contract that he negotiated would even be gutted like it was, and when it came down to the last minute to come up with concessions his response was nothing more then throw it to the JR F/A's...Not knowing today...There are NO Jr F/a's in this company.
Also,...Those on here who want to talk about pay rates vs the other carriers?...give me a break...So , we may make "AA" (very) little more, exception being WN, then most ,but this industry has never been an industry where one can get rich. Right? Come on!

You have to be joking right you are not serious are you??? United, Delta......Less money, No pension. Am not happy that we took a paycut and I voted NO.....but looking back now at United and Delta........We at AA are better compensated; and that is a fact. I dont care
about being the biggest or corporate culture that does not no pay my bills. All I care is how much I bring home. Get the facts then talk.