Anyone know?

[tech2101]

Tech2101 and xut, you don't have a dog in this hunt so your views and opinions don't amount to SQUAT.

I find it amusing that you are now exhibiting the exact behavior that will make you just like the people who you now belittle as not knowing anything.

Go ahead and set your own house on fire to make sure nobody can enjoy it.

If you are not happy than you will damn sure succeed in making sure nobody is happy.

You should spend a day reading the USAir threads. That is your future....paycuts included.

...unless people like Sharon are the majority and you all on this board are the minority.

 

[WNMECH]

I find it amusing that you are now exhibiting the exact behavior that will make you just like the people who you now belittle as not knowing anything.

Go ahead and set your own house on fire to make sure nobody can enjoy it.

If you are not happy than you will damn sure succeed in making sure nobody is happy.

You should spend a day reading the USAir threads. That is your future....paycuts included.

...unless people like Sharon are the majority and you all on this board are the minority.

If an AT mechanic says this whole deal sucks and is upset about it, I will listen.
If people come here who do not have to live with the outcome show up and spout uninformed opinion, I will reject it.
Just because some outsiders like you are not happy, doesn't mean we are not.

And now you tell us we will be receiving paycuts.
I think you are talking about some other airline that doesn't keep makeing profits.

 

[SWA.TECH]

I find it amusing that you are now exhibiting the exact behavior that will make you just like the people who you now belittle as not knowing anything.

Go ahead and set your own house on fire to make sure nobody can enjoy it.

If you are not happy than you will damn sure succeed in making sure nobody is happy.

You should spend a day reading the USAir threads. That is your future....paycuts included.

...unless people like Sharon are the majority and you all on this board are the minority.

All this doom and gloom, oh me oh my Im starting to beilieve what you preach. Man you need to see a doctor about your depression its really gonna eat you up. I think we will just keep fixing jets and pushing on time. And you can spend your spare time cruising the US Air blogs , and ours, spouting off unfounded opinions.

 

[SWA.TECH]

And yet you reply.

SWA AMFA submitted the 'company's' offer and voted it down.
How is it that the 'company' made the offer and not AMFA?
Who is in control of this union?
The 'company' or AMFA?
SWA AMFA is playing the blame game or are in collusion with the company.
Of course, blame the ibt (which I have no respect for) but the AT side voted for the last offer that AMFA/ibt sent out for a vote.
IMHO, SWA AMFA is doing everything in their power to scuttle the AT/SWA seniority integration.
Even if you get a 4 year boost with no fences, you will vote it down.
JMHO,
B) xUT

Absolutely! without your ill informed posts what else would afford me the laughter you bring myself and my union brothers? We have quite a few XUT guys here most of them see the light before they burn up , but some are so tarnished by mis management and poor buisness decisions that they cant come back.... Sad kinda, but what can you do?

 

[SWA.TECH]

And yet you reply.

SWA AMFA submitted the 'company's' offer and voted it down.
How is it that the 'company' made the offer and not AMFA?
Who is in control of this union?
The 'company' or AMFA?
SWA AMFA is playing the blame game or are in collusion with the company.
Of course, blame the ibt (which I have no respect for) but the AT side voted for the last offer that AMFA/ibt sent out for a vote.
IMHO, SWA AMFA is doing everything in their power to scuttle the AT/SWA seniority integration.
Even if you get a 4 year boost with no fences, you will vote it down.
JMHO,
B) xUT

This post shows just how little you actually know about what is actually happening between the company , AMFA, and the IBT. The company is not happy with AMFA right now because they are doing there job representing the members. I can assure you there is no "collusion" between AMFA and the company, based on what I see the company doing. The company intervened when they along with many members on both sides saw to be an impass, so they agreed to put something to a vote. If you havent read my post about the history between the IBT, AMFA, and the SWA mechanics please find it and read it. THE ONLY people responsible for dragging there feet, by NOT RETURNING CALLS, NOT SHOWING UP FOR MEETINGS, SAYING THEY ARE TO BUSY TO RESPOND OR PROCESS INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY ARE DEALING WITH THE HORIZON AIR DEAL, is ding ding ding, THE IBT. You need a history lesson, and some access to actual current events regarding these talks. You are basically a troll, but please dont get me wrong I thouroghly enjoy reading and responding to your posts! keep up the good work. We will keep moving airplanes on our end buddy!!

 

[tech2101]

All this doom and gloom, oh me oh my Im starting to beilieve what you preach. Man you need to see a doctor about your depression its really gonna eat you up. I think we will just keep fixing jets and pushing on time. And you can spend your spare time cruising the US Air blogs , and ours, spouting off unfounded opinions.

My link

Our labor rates are now, far and away, the highest in the industry. Through bankruptcy, very large New Airlines have emerged with lower rates than us and better productivity. Next to fuel, labor is our highest expenditure. We cant have lower overall operating costs if our labor costs aren’t lower. We cant have lower labor costs if we arent more productive. The good news is that we have a lot of opportunities to improve our productivity, eliminate waste, and preserve our pay rates and benefits for the foreseeable future. Its crucial that we take advantage of those opportunities.

The imperative I spoke about nearly a decade ago has been fulfilled by our remaining, formerly “Legacy,” competitors. The imperative is now squarely upon Southwest. I know you all understand the evidence hundreds of airlines perished since deregulation. No 1989 major airline has survived without bankruptcy except Southwest. We are the maverick. We are different. Thats how we have prevailed with a Warrior Spirit, a “Never Give In” resolve, and a burning desire to be the very best. The sloth-like industry you remember competing against is now officially dead and buried. We fought them, and we won.

Now, the enemy is our own cost creep, our own legacy-like productivity, and our own inefficiencies. Fighting this cost enemy is an imperative to remain the Maverick. We will fight, and we will remain the Maverick.

I will let you comment on the merits of this quote.

I wish you the best. I have freinds who work for LUV. They are not like you and do not share your angst towards your new co-workers from AirTran.

They are not know-nothing's who do not have any skin on the game like me.

 

[WNMECH]

The quote is not asking for pay concessions.
Nobody here is giving concessions out of bankruptcy.
If you dont believe that, ask your friends.
Bankruptcy isn't even close.
Swa would need years and years of losses to destroy our stellar balance sheet.
This kind of quote is fairly commonplace to keep us focused on costs.
If anything they may want a freeze or slow our payroll expansion.
Again if we are not losing money a lot, that ain't gonna happen ether.

If your friends are pilots or FAs, then they got a seniority boost over airtran.
We expect the same.
You are clueless about SWA.
Keep reading quotes and believe everything you read.
and I will keep my paycheck.

 

[tech2101]

If anything they may want a freeze or slow our payroll expansion.

You are clueless about SWA.

Keep reading quotes and believe everything you read.

and I will keep my paycheck.

I never said anything about you giving up your paycheck.

The quote is from your CEO.

I tend to believe what he says is the future of SWA.

He did not ask for paycuts.

He only said your labor costs are higher than every other competitor.

 

[WNMECH]

By the way, go ask your friends if this quote makes them think they are headed for bankruptcy or need to give concessions.
If you say they think that, then we know you are lying out your a$$.

 

[WNMECH]

Oh no you don't.
Yesterday you posted " its in your future....paycuts included"
Then you posted our CEO's quote to back that up.
Don't start back peddleing now.
It makes you look dishonest.
And I knew it was Gary Kelly when I read it.

 

[tech2101]

Oh no you don't.
Yesterday you posted " its in your future....paycuts included"

You are correct. I should not have said paycuts.

I should have said, "freeze or slow payroll expansion."

That does not necessarily mean paycuts.

That can be achieved in many ways that do not include paycuts.

I am sure you all will be asked to share how you will achieve that in your negotiations.

Like I said earlier. You were setting the standard for pay and outsourcing for the entire industry.

Now AA and DAL, and others are matching the outsourcing part.

 

[WNMECH]

And like I said, they can ask all they want.
But without years of loses, it ain't gonna happen.

We will just keep cashing those paychecks and you can just keep hoping we go bankrupt.
Lol

 

[lineguy]

 

[AvTech04]

So, you're saying that most everyone on his forum is a troll, including yourself?? We've all been guilty of some of these accusations at some time or another..

 

[lineguy]

So, you're saying that most everyone on his forum is a troll, including yourself?? We've all been guilty of some of these accusations at some time or another..

What I'm saying is now you're a troll for jumping in this thread that didn't concern you. Tech2101 and Xut are grown ups, they can speak for themselves. Now as I read the definition of troll, you do fit it rather well.