Anyone know?

[POBIT]

As a former NWA AMFA Area rep, and someone who helped with the UAL AMT's leaving the IAMAW and voting in the AMFA, I am sickened by what I hope is the minority of the AMFA folks on this board who want to relegate you (AirTran) to second class. You should get relative seniority. I find it amusing that AMFA leaders would ask for any more. After all, one of AMFA's early ideas was portable seniority throughout the airline industry.

Shame on the SWA members who want you to get less than relative seniority. If it goes to arbitration, i expect no less than that for you.

You know what they say though,

Karma can be a ####.

Define what your idea of relative seniority. I think most swa mechanics would just see the at boys sacrifice something in return for what their gaining. The problem is that both workgroups are small enough that their more like clubs and we all know thats something thats not just handed out.

 

[Swadl]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't relative seniority where there number 1 goes below our number one? If that is relative seniority than y'all are out of your mind thinking there number 1 mechanic should go above our number 2 mechanic! That would be flat wrong!!

 

[Swadl]

And another thing all you former airline employees/retirees or anybody else preaching arbitration should shut your mouth. Arbitration will divide the two work groups. We would not sign in a new contract if the arbitration outcome was DOH/DOC. And therefor they (AirTran) would not be in out contract or receive our money and contractual bennies. So for fu$ks sake people stay out of our integration and let us (AirTran/SWA) deal with OUR integration. I'm sooo sick of outsiders sticking their nose in OUR business!!! You outsiders are like a Bunch of hackling hens!!!

 

[superman32870]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't relative seniority where there number 1 goes below our number one? If that is relative seniority than y'all are out of your mind thinking there number 1 mechanic should go above our number 2 mechanic! That would be flat wrong!!

Im all about being fair. I think A percentage would be the fairest way to do the integration. But if someone thinks their #1 should go behind our #1, they are out of their f*****g mind!

 

[lineguy]

Tech2101 and xut, you don't have a dog in this hunt so your views and opinions don't amount to SQUAT.

 

[SWA.TECH]

Honestly, not a soul... I don't know anyone who has ever been to SWA or gone to SWA and gone back to AT much less gone to AT from SWA. It's mostly been the other way around for the past few years, since you guys got the better contract. But before that, when AT had the higher paying contract, I'd see guys from Delta, AA/TWA, NW always split between SWA and AT mostly either based location and/or pay. A lot at AirTran are simply set in their ways and comfortable with the process and location so they've stuck it out because it's really not that bad once you get your rhythm place, just like a lot of places. AT has always been the place, as far as I've seen, that AMT's kinda fall back on when their 20 years somewhere else hits the fan, then once they get there, they realize it's not so bad and could actually be a very longer term gig, I've heard of a lot of that scenario.

Well if your comfortable where youre at why are you worried about getting on our cba? This could be easy to solve with more people with youre point of view. As far as AT being the place to "fall back" on we have all worked at transitional places, and Im glad you are "comfortable" working there.

 

[SharoninSAT]

Tech2101 and xut, you don't have a dog in this hunt so your views and opinions don't amount to SQUAT.

I disagree! Anyone can post on this forum (it is public).
Actually xUT and Tech2101 both bring a wealth of knowledge and experience.

 

[SWA.TECH]

I disagree! Anyone can post on this forum (it is public).
Actually xUT and Tech2101 both bring a wealth of knowledge and experience.

And a wealth of good old major airline digruntledness!!! the forum is southwest/airtran airlines, not ex major tissue box.

 

[swamt]

Tech2101 and xut, you don't have a dog in this hunt so your views and opinions don't amount to SQUAT.

It easy for someone outside to pipe in with all their wisdom and thoughts on how "they think" SWA and AT should be integrated, especially when it in no way effects them. UAL and CAL will soon be integrating their mechanics and you will again see same kind of postings from those 2 groups as you see here. And it will really get crazy when AA (if) merges with anther carrier, especially with 2 different unions involved. The UAL and CAL I believe are suppose to follow what their contract states as they are the same union at both carriers. That's per the new law. BTW: If I am not mistaken, it was the teamsters that first offered doing something with the senority (boosting or reduction) not AMFA. AMFA has been following the law by nego with the teamsters to get to a agreement that will still have to be voted in.

 

[xUT]

Tech2101 and xut, you don't have a dog in this hunt so your views and opinions don't amount to SQUAT.

Thanks for your input and I promise not to post unless I want to.
If our posts don't mean squat, why try to squelch them?
B) xUT

 

[SWA.TECH]

Thanks for your input and I promise not to post unless I want to.
If our posts don't mean squat, why try to squelch them?
B) xUT

Oh you took it the wrong way, post up! they just dont mean squat!

 

[SWA.TECH]

edit: they do mean something, they afford us the view of a disgruntled ex major airline mechanic. Thanks for that , its so hard to come by these days....

 

[xUT]

Oh you took it the wrong way, post up! they just dont mean squat!

And yet you reply.

SWA AMFA submitted the 'company's' offer and voted it down.
How is it that the 'company' made the offer and not AMFA?
Who is in control of this union?
The 'company' or AMFA?
SWA AMFA is playing the blame game or are in collusion with the company.
Of course, blame the ibt (which I have no respect for) but the AT side voted for the last offer that AMFA/ibt sent out for a vote.
IMHO, SWA AMFA is doing everything in their power to scuttle the AT/SWA seniority integration.
Even if you get a 4 year boost with no fences, you will vote it down.
JMHO,
B) xUT

 

[WNMECH]

And yet you reply.

SWA AMFA submitted the 'company's' offer and voted it down.
How is it that the 'company' made the offer and not AMFA?
Who is in control of this union?
The 'company' or AMFA?
SWA AMFA is playing the blame game or are in collusion with the company.
Of course, blame the ibt (which I have no respect for) but the AT side voted for the last offer that AMFA/ibt sent out for a vote.
IMHO, SWA AMFA is doing everything in their power to scuttle the AT/SWA seniority integration.
Even if you get a 4 year boost with no fences, you will vote it down.
JMHO,
B) xUT

Why do you continue to show your ignorance by posting about simple things you know nothing about?
Everyone whom that offer impacts know that SWA took parts of both groups ideas and came up with the POS deal SWA put on the table.
Both sides submitted that company offer to their members to vote on per the companys request.
The AMFA negotiating committee did not endorse that offer.
Only a couple of members were asking for a yes vote.
The SWA AMFA membership disagreed and voted it down.
Now the 4 year no fences offer is from the SWA AMFA committee with input from the membership and will be voted in if it comes to a vote.
You can save your ridiculous humble opinion. B)

 

[swamt]

Why do you continue to show your ignorance by posting about simple things you know nothing about?
Everyone whom that offer impacts know that SWA took parts of both groups ideas and came up with the POS deal SWA put on the table.
Both sides submitted that company offer to their members to vote on per the companys request.
The AMFA negotiating committee did not endorse that offer.
Only a couple of members were asking for a yes vote.
The SWA AMFA membership disagreed and voted it down.
Now the 4 year no fences offer is from the SWA AMFA committee with input from the membership and will be voted in if it comes to a vote.
You can save your ridiculous humble opinion. B)

Well said sir. You beat me to it.