Analyst Jamie Baker says AA won't cut labor costs as much as Horton would like

[Buck]

I went to the BK lawyers presentation to ORD's TWU employee's after work today. She certianly didn't mention anything about getting full retro. She specifically said we don't know what is going to happen in regards to concessions, until AA comes along with 1113 openers. She did say expect concessions, it will be painful, and it will happen fast. I'm not sure what leverage Bob thinks we have, but it isn't much. I would believe the BK lawyer before I would believe Bob about BK.

One of the things the labor lawyer mentioned was for all TWU members to act as one, not different voices, not to appear weak.

So mechanics need to fight like hell?

 

[Buck]

dupe

 

[tech2101]

So mechanics need to fight like hell?

The best thing to do is to prepare yourself for your next challenge. If you plan on staying in this industry, do not plan on getting ahead for some time. Go back to school if you can. If not, be thankful for what you have and be frugal.

The best innovation tends to come from times like this. Maybe you will be the one with the next great idea?

Hope for smooth air, prepare for heavy turbulence.

 

[Duke787]

So mechanics need to fight like hell?

So mechanics need to stand side by side with the rest of our union brothers. Speak as one, not have seperate factions within the TWU.

No union caused the BK, but the vote "NO" coalition were certianly wrong for thinking that AA was bluffing and we could do better.

 

[xUT]

No industry is totally deregulated in this country and hasn't been in a very long time. "Deregulation" of the airlines was only partial economic deregulation, not full freedom from all regulation. Just look at all the government alphabet agencies that still have a say in how an airline operates - OSHA, EPA, DOT, FAA, etc, etc, etc.

Jim

Absolutely!
Airlines are the 'most' regulated of the 'deregulated' industry.
B) xUT

 

[Chuck Schalk]

So mechanics need to stand side by side with the rest of our union brothers. Speak as one, not have seperate factions within the TWU.

No union caused the BK, but the vote "NO" coalition were certianly wrong for thinking that AA was bluffing and we could do better.

FYI

AMR was going to bankruptcy regardless of how we voted. The bankruptcy law firms I spoke with at the initial bankruptcy meeting in New York told me the same thing but that they expected AMR to file for bankruptcy in the spring not in November.

 

[Overspeed]

FYI

AMR was going to bankruptcy regardless of how we voted. The bankruptcy law firms I spoke with at the initial bankruptcy meeting in New York told me the same thing but that they expected AMR to file for bankruptcy in the spring not in November.

So then if you knew AMR was filing BK - contrary to what you and Bob said in July 2010 that it was a bluff - then why did you recommend voting no? We could have all had about $15K extra in our pockets before the BK happened. Instead we don't have the money and BK. Brilliant!

 

[Mr Red]

So then if you knew AMR was filing BK - contrary to what you and Bob said in July 2010 that it was a bluff - then why did you recommend voting no? We could have all had about $15K extra in our pockets before the BK happened. Instead we don't have the money and BK. Brilliant!

You don't seem to understand,15,000 in one pocket 20,000 out of the other pocket ! 2/3 of the membership understood that !!

 

[TWU informer]

You don't seem to understand,15,000 in one pocket 20,000 out of the other pocket ! 2/3 of the membership understood that !!

Well wait until you see what you get now.

 

[787nightmare]

Well wait until you see what you get now.

Could be wrong...but I don't think the compensation will be hit that bad in maint. Maybe some tweaking on comp/benes-for the ones still around, that is.

 

[eolesen]

Could be wrong...but I don't think the compensation will be hit that bad in maint. Maybe some tweaking on comp/benes-for the ones still around, that is.

Agree -- pay likely isn't the concern. It's the work rules and benefits that have always been the issue.

 

[Buck]

Pay isn't the concern. It's the work rules and benefits that have always been the issue.

From maintenance point of view pay is a big factor, maybe not from the company's view. The mechanics have grown tired of being vitually in last place when every negotiation is going to be industry leading.

What other work rules can the mechanics change except the 1/7th rule at the bases, overtime and field trip selection?

What can the other TWU groups do to change work rules? Or is the growing opinion that these groups won't matter?

 

[1AA]

I expect several things to happen.

A pay raise of some kind to bring us up to industry average.
The end of prefunding our retirement medical.
A change in our pension funding formula. Freeze it, turn it over, employee contribution, etc..

Other benefits is up in the air right now.
I hope they do not touch our vacation again.
We gave a week back in 03. Many of us got that week back last year and more are getting it back this year.
Shift Diff. License premiums, CC pay rates hopefully will stay the same or improve.
More holidays is a possibility but I doubt a 2.5 x pay rate.

As far as work rule changes???? That is the million dollar question.
Our medical will be hit. How much we pay will probably increase noticeably.

Keeping overhaul as we know it today will probably change. I see AA keeping overhaul
in house, but will AFW be around? There is going to be major changes in work rules in both overhaul and line stations. How many class 2 stations will be around remains to be seen. I see LGA being down graded to a class 2 station.

We will all know next month what AA will propose to the union.
Until then, Merry Christmas. I would like to wish you all a Happy New Year but.........

 

[TWU informer]

I expect several things to happen.

A pay raise of some kind to bring us up to industry average.
The end of prefunding our retirement medical.
A change in our pension funding formula. Freeze it, turn it over, employee contribution, etc..

Other benefits is up in the air right now.
I hope they do not touch our vacation again.
We gave a week back in 03. Many of us got that week back last year and more are getting it back this year.
Shift Diff. License premiums, CC pay rates hopefully will stay the same or improve.
More holidays is a possibility but I doubt a 2.5 x pay rate.

As far as work rule changes???? That is the million dollar question.
Our medical will be hit. How much we pay will probably increase noticeably.

Keeping overhaul as we know it today will probably change. I see AA keeping overhaul
in house, but will AFW be around? There is going to be major changes in work rules in both overhaul and line stations. How many class 2 stations will be around remains to be seen. I see LGA being down graded to a class 2 station.

We will all know next month what AA will propose to the union.
Until then, Merry Christmas. I would like to wish you all a Happy New Year but.........

we would be fortunate if your predictions come true.

 

[TWU informer]

From maintenance point of view pay is a big factor, maybe not from the company's view. The mechanics have grown tired of being vitually in last place when every negotiation is going to be industry leading.

What other work rules can the mechanics change except the 1/7th rule at the bases, overtime and field trip selection?

What can the other TWU groups do to change work rules? Or is the growing opinion that these groups won't matter?

I could a list a few, but do not think it is a good idea to give them any ideas beyond what they already plan.