AMR/APA might be nearing a deal!

and at this point...given the chance, I would do it all over again.

done with these fools.

Proud 93 Striker.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that will get AMR into Chapter 11 (or Chapter 7) and get you a paycut or a furlough.

How exactly do you win from that?
 
Hopefully haircuts to both sides that have a chance at being equal. As opposed to just Labor's side.
 
American Airlines zeroes in on labor

We must improve productivity by reforming work rules that don’t make sense, establish a new competitive framework for new hires, eliminate restrictions on the way we conduct business, and bring other elements of our contracts more in line with the realities of the marketplace.

Click here to read the story.
 
American Airlines zeroes in on labor

We must improve productivity by reforming work rules that don’t make sense, establish a new competitive framework for new hires, eliminate restrictions on the way we conduct business, and bring other elements of our contracts more in line with the realities of the marketplace.

Click here to read the story.
In other words, start a new series of "B-Scale" contracts comparable to the 1983, Mechanic and Related contracts?
 
American Airlines zeroes in on labor

We must improve productivity by reforming work rules that don’t make sense, establish a new competitive framework for new hires, eliminate restrictions on the way we conduct business, and bring other elements of our contracts more in line with the realities of the marketplace.

Click here to read the story.
Can you say "carrot"?
 
In other words, start a new series of "B-Scale" contracts comparable to the 1983, Mechanic and Related contracts?

If the choice is between:

A. Keeping crappy wages for the current employees and keeping the number of employed high; and

B. Selling out those who haven't yet been hired by lowering their wages/benefits/cost by agreeing to a new B scale, making it possible for the company to increase the wages for the current employees,

I know which one I'd choose.

And if those new employees who haven't even been hired yet don't like it - then they're free to apply elsewhere. They know the terms under which they're being hired. Screw em.
 
If the choice is between:

A. Keeping crappy wages for the current employees and keeping the number of employed high; and

B. Selling out those who haven't yet been hired by lowering their wages/benefits/cost by agreeing to a new B scale, making it possible for the company to increase the wages for the current employees,

I know which one I'd choose.

And if those new employees who haven't even been hired yet don't like it - then they're free to apply elsewhere. They know the terms under which they're being hired. Screw em.
Thats not very nice brother......

That hasn't been done since at least FEB 1983 or so.....
 
I agree with FWAAA. The focus (and frankly your union's job) is to take care of current employees/members. The hard reality is that companies and governments overpromised a generation ago, and our looming social security crisis is the result. Many, many companies have stopped enrolling new hires into existing pension plans. This is not new territory, and while unfortunate AA's current employees must be taken care of first.
 
If the choice is between:

A. Keeping crappy wages for the current employees and keeping the number of employed high; and

B. Selling out those who haven't yet been hired by lowering their wages/benefits/cost by agreeing to a new B scale, making it possible for the company to increase the wages for the current employees,

I know which one I'd choose.

And if those new employees who haven't even been hired yet don't like it - then they're free to apply elsewhere. They know the terms under which they're being hired. Screw em.
You forgot one option, FW -

C.

Stop hiring and make the current employees do what they were hired to do. Thin out those that don't want to work or can't do their job - should be about 30 - 50%. Restore to 2001 contract the wages and benefits for those who want to work.

Send 70% of "management" to the street.

That would require, however, that "management" stops pandering to the twu by keeping employment high and also begins doing the job "management" was hired to do (I wonder if "management" training is available on CBT?).

All that would suffer would be egos and empires - NO CONCESSIONS REQUIRED!

Ain't no way in hell that'll happen.
 
The Dallas Morning News' Airline Biz Blog usually has them.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/10/pilots-american-airlines-to-re.html
 
They're on the APA website:

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/ForTheMedia/APAInformationHotline.aspx

Thank you but that is the general hotline. There is a link at the bottom
that you can only access if you are a APA member.
I was wondering if someone can post it here.
 
If it is supposed to be for APA members only, why would a member post it here? Having been in the business, I would bet that when you access the link, it requires that you log in with an APA id and password before you can get to the things you want to hear/read. Just like the APFA website.
 

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