AMFA Organizing Drive to Replace Association

[Paul Too]

Swamt.....I know that AMFA doesn't raid other unions and that indeed it was AA mechanics that came to AMFA. I'm not privy to what Gary Peterson may or may not have agreed to AMFA or anyone else for that matter or if he's ever met with any other union to discuss a "hands off" policy. I find it difficult to believe that Gary, Samuelson, or anyone else at International didn't know of the current card drive.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Swamt.....I know that AMFA doesn't raid other unions and that indeed it was AA mechanics that came to AMFA. I'm not privy to what Gary Peterson may or may not have agreed to AMFA or anyone else for that matter or if he's ever met with any other union to discuss a "hands off" policy. I find it difficult to believe that Gary, Samuelson, or anyone else at International didn't know of the current card drive.

PaulToo;

I am here to say that the TWU knew all about this AMFA card drive since the onset, The TWU Reps here in MIA were threatened NOT to sign cards and told they would/could lose the position they currently hold. All of the TWU reps in MIA refused to sign cards. They talked about this during the weekly conf calls.

They even said some of them, that if we changed they would be right back in office. They support what we were doing but could not sign a card.

SO I know GP knew about this card drive back in NOV of last year.

If he felt as he says in his current video back when it all got started he should of made it then, NOT Now that we are close to the date of filing. He also should of been more Pro-active in keeping the language in our contract solid instead of weakening it as we went along after it was signed.

 

[Old Azz Mechanic]

I did retire but since I have spent 20+ working with the other main organizers to rid AA of the TWU. With a Month until you find out when the cards will be turned into the NMB I am helping out as much as I can to make it happen. Whether it be putting my two cents in here since there are NOT to many from M&R that come here much, but there are a few. I am working with the guys from the SE Region to insure what needs to get done to be ready to open a Local, elect new Officers to replace the SCAMMERS that are in place at this time. Rebutting the mis information that some put here as well. Once this card drive is either completed or done for good I will at that time have No reason to post here any longer. So does that put your mind at rest?

Not knocking you, just don't understand you still caring.

 

[Old Azz Mechanic]

No matter what Union Represents us.The same guys will be voted in. That is NEVER going go change. None of the good Guys are stupid enough to run for office. All the Miami AMFA guys are hated and considered retarded.Not trying to piss anyone off. Just telling it like it is. Hell AmfainMiami even said it at his retirement send off. He knows NO one there liked him. He was correct. Mang. and They guys on the floor didn't like him. They had a party for him after he left.

 

[1AA]

Will IAM mechanics continue to gain contributions to their pension should the AMFA raid be successful?

AMFA raid? Did I miss something?
I thought the association members of this dysfunctional marriage between the TWU and IAM went out on their own to seek a real union with the members needs first?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

No matter what Union Represents us.The same guys will be voted in. That is NEVER going go change. None of the good Guys are stupid enough to run for office. All the Miami AMFA guys are hated and considered retarded.Not trying to piss anyone off. Just telling it like it is. Hell AmfainMiami even said it at his retirement send off. He knows NO one there liked him. He was correct. Mang. and They guys on the floor didn't like him. They had a party for him after he left.

OLD AZZ Mechanic you speak as though you are from MIA the station, So you must of been up in the room when the Phase check crew chief did a send off for all those who did work for him. Not AA, Not the UNION, the phase check crew chief. I didn't come to work to become friends with anyone there. I did my time and helped as many as I could while I was there. If they had a party as you say I would bet it was done by the TWU reps and YOU may even be one of them. THE SCAMMERS. If it was held outside of the union then I am Calling YOU A LIAR. No party was held after I left. Maybe by the Local Mgmt since many have said I was a pain the thier AZZ. But I doubt that as well. If you were there, you went there for the FREE PIZZA, just like many in MIA do when food is brought in.

The guys in MIA did not like me rocking the boat and voicing my opinion about all of the scams that happen there. I always did my job no-one ever had to follow me to clean up because I failed to perform the task assigned. "YES" I force the correct way of doing things rather than just get it done so I could sit in the break room and keep MGMT happy, NOT MY WAY. So you can say whatever you want.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Not knocking you, just don't understand you still caring.

LIKE I said I have been at this for 20+ yrs,to remove the TWU (TOTALLY USELESS UNION) do I really care if you guys that remain behind care or NOT. "NO"
because most there don't as long as they can scam, CS on/off nothing else matters. The Company and Union took so much since 2003 & 2012 no one cares about anyone else but themselves. That is why the Term I GOT MINE is so prevalent here in MIA. For ME finishing what I help start will be a feather in my cap, when the cards are filed and YOU GET A VOTE. What happens at that point will depend on YOU. Keep the scammers or put someone in office that will come to work, show up every day, work on the floor, know whats going on, Unlike the guys who represent you now.

I hope that satisfies you..As to why I care even though I have retired.

 

[Old Azz Mechanic]

OLD AZZ Mechanic you speak as though you are from MIA the station, So you must of been up in the room when the Phase check crew chief did a send off for all those who did work for him. Not AA, Not the UNION, the phase check crew chief. I didn't come to work to become friends with anyone there. I did my time and helped as many as I could while I was there. If they had a party as you say I would bet it was done by the TWU reps and YOU may even be one of them. THE SCAMMERS. If it was held outside of the union then I am Calling YOU A LIAR. No party was held after I left. Maybe by the Local Mgmt since many have said I was a pain the thier AZZ. But I doubt that as well. If you were there, you went there for the FREE PIZZA, just like many in MIA do when food is brought in.

The guys in MIA did not like me rocking the boat and voicing my opinion about all of the scams that happen there. I always did my job no-one ever had to follow me to clean up because I failed to perform the task assigned. "YES" I force the correct way of doing things rather than just get it done so I could sit in the break room and keep MGMT happy, NOT MY WAY. So you can say whatever you want.

WOW. You never understood. EVERYONE in Miami is a SCAMMER. That is the South America Way.. This place cant be fixed. Now Local 591 is run by all the Miami guys. So the entire system is now scammers. NO one cares enough to run against them. So there for even if AMFA pulls off getting a vote. The same scammers will still win a system vote. AMFA needs to learn how to play the game. Maybe AMFA should buy some pizza. Then you can get enough cards. You guys are making the same mistake you made last time. Turning the cards in at the last minute is a BIG mistake. That just means you know you don't have enough cards yet.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

WOW. You never understood. EVERYONE in Miami is a SCAMMER. That is the South America Way.. This place cant be fixed. Now Local 591 is run by all the Miami guys. So the entire system is now scammers. NO one cares enough to run against them. So there for even if AMFA pulls off getting a vote. The same scammers will still win a system vote. AMFA needs to learn how to play the game. Maybe AMFA should buy some pizza. Then you can get enough cards. You guys are making the same mistake you made last time. Turning the cards in at the last minute is a BIG mistake. That just means you know you don't have enough cards yet.

"NO" I understand completely, and you are wrong NOT EVERYONE is a scammer. alot yes. The TWU said don't eat the pizza/food from the company or participate with there events, but here in MIA if its FREE you are correct that is all that matters. You are correct again there are many from MIA at the upper level of Local 591, But that will change if AMFA gets in there won't be just ONE Local, there will be a local in the cities or region that they are needed. So it won't be a system wide scam. I will tell you since NO ONE CARES approx 96% of the A&P mechanics here in MIA signed cards to get rid of the ASSociation. Approx 90% in FLL, 98% in SJU, 45% in MCO, 35% in TPA. Even 30 or so title 2 guys signed cards here in MIA. Those were numbers as of March this year so the numbers should of went up by now.

Everyone will see if we have enough cards when they are filed with the NMB within the next 30 days.

 

[Old Azz Mechanic]

"NO" I understand completely, and you are wrong NOT EVERYONE is a scammer. alot yes. The TWU said don't eat the pizza/food from the company or participate with there events, but here in MIA if its FREE you are correct that is all that matters. You are correct again there are many from MIA at the upper level of Local 591, But that will change if AMFA gets in there won't be just ONE Local, there will be a local in the cities or region that they are needed. So it won't be a system wide scam. I will tell you since NO ONE CARES approx 96% of the A&P mechanics here in MIA signed cards to get rid of the ASSociation. Approx 90% in FLL, 98% in SJU, 45% in MCO, 35% in TPA. Even 30 or so title 2 guys signed cards here in MIA. Those were numbers as of March this year so the numbers should of went up by now.

Everyone will see if we have enough cards when they are filed with the NMB within the next 30 days.

The fact that you guys are still holding on to the cards. Only tells me that you know you don't have enough to file. If you think getting a few more cards is going to help you. You are dumber than you look. The only reason people signed that many cards was to scare the TWU/IAM into getting a contract. Not that we have it. The AMFA drive is over. No one is going to give a crap. I am only speaking the truth. NO ONE CARES, Its sad but true.

 

[1AA]

The fact that you guys are still holding on to the cards. Only tells me that you know you don't have enough to file. If you think getting a few more cards is going to help you. You are dumber than you look. The only reason people signed that many cards was to scare the TWU/IAM into getting a contract. Not that we have it. The AMFA drive is over. No one is going to give a crap. I am only speaking the truth. NO ONE CARES, Its sad but true.

Trolling for information I see.
You must be new to this.
You sound like someone who is new to this. You need to go back and review past drives, past filings, past NMB cases and then you can make a educated post. Right now you sound desperate and threatened. I would guess you might be a union officer who is financially threatened by a successful change in union representation. If not then you're a babbling idiot.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

The fact that you guys are still holding on to the cards. Only tells me that you know you don't have enough to file. If you think getting a few more cards is going to help you. You are dumber than you look. The only reason people signed that many cards was to scare the TWU/IAM into getting a contract. Not that we have it. The AMFA drive is over. No one is going to give a crap. I am only speaking the truth. NO ONE CARES, Its sad but true.

OLD AZZ MECHANIC;

The reason there hasn't been a filing any sooner is that CV19 struck which did for several months STOP everything. We could not visit stations around the system as we did in the past. Some of the Organizers themselves ended up in the Hospital both in DFW and TUL. The guys in ORD did wait until the contract was signed to start signing cards. JFK and LGA up in NY area they didn't even have to go to work so card collecting was made harder. In the Past members of AMFA National traveled to stations, CV19 put that to a halt as well. "YES" some guys were hoping that signing cards would FORCE the ASSociation into getting us a contract sooner. Isn't that why they signed the IBT cards before just to rid ourselves of the TWU.
SOME of your membership really doesn't care. That just shows that the TWU failed in the last 30+ yrs to lead & teach what being part of a Union really means.

You are correct it is SAD that the employees of M&R pay dues to the TWU as the Bargaining unit and all they have gotten for that is a LOAD of Crap.
How this is going to all play out will be seen within a Month as I have said, either the cards are there or they are not. Whatever happens I can say I did my part in hopes of making a change.

At ANY Time did you get involved in any way to effect change here in MIA or any other station you might of worked at? If you did, why did you abandon your efforts? (WHY) Was it that the TWU beat you into submission? Did you let the SCAMMERS win? Then you are correct it is truly sad that YOU along with many others just gave up and DON'T Care.

 

[swamt]

Will IAM mechanics continue to gain contributions to their pension should the AMFA raid be successful?

Everything covered in the contract will be inherited by AMFA if/when they prevail representation after a vote. Nothing in the contract can be lost just because a change is made. You all would be way better off if you all would move your pensions over to a strong matching 401K, the pensions will not survive much longer.
As the vote gets closer and closer you guys will start to hear these lies about losing your pensions and retirements if you vote AMFA in, it's all false and misinformation to scare you all from voting in AMFA.

 

[swamt]

SWA-AMFA-ALR MEMBERSHIP UPDATE

October 8, 2020




To All AMFA Members at Southwest Airlines:

Today, October 8, 2020, your Airline Representatives (ALR) and legal counsel attended an online meeting with the Company at the request of Southwest Airlines (SWA). As you may have seen or heard from Gary Kelly this week, SWA is seeking concessions from its union-represented employees, thus prompting today’s meeting. We denied the Company’s request to sign non-disclosure agreements prior to this meeting that request because you – as AMFA members and Southwest employees -- deserve to know what is going on, especially when the Company seeks to extract concessions from your contracts.

The Company presented a formal request of a ten percent (10%) reduction to base wages and premiums for every group AMFA represents at SWA, to begin January 1, 2021, and run through the entire year. In addition, any step or annual raises would be frozen during that same period. The Company indicated, if accepted, it would not furlough any AMFA member or seek additional concessions. Unfortunately, that promise rang hollow when it was immediately qualified with “barring unforeseen or uncontrollable circumstances.”

AMFA is willing to engage in discussions with the Company aimed to identify possible cost saving measures that do not require concessions to our contracts, which have been earned by your sweat equity over many years at SWA. The Company continues to outsource large amounts of your work to vendors; therefore, we should focus on reducing costs by bringing that work back to the Southwest family where our members stand ready, willing, and able to show just how productive we are. Collaborative solutions such as these will prove more valuable than empty asks for fixed percentage reductions to our compensation.

Yesterday, Gary Kelly sent a letter to union representatives in which he, prior to formally requesting concessions, attempted to blame the unions for any WARN Act notices he may decide to send. Mr. Kelly asked the unions to keep concession negotiations “simple, move swiftly, and give our People a chance to vote.” He went on to say, “absent that, you are choosing to send WARN notices to our People on November 1.” It is the CEO and his senior management that will decide whether or not to send Southwest employees WARN Act Notices, not the respective unions.

We are not interested in concessions to our contracts. We will, however, engage with the Company to consider cost saving measures while protecting your contracts in the face of requests for concessions. We will defend and enforce all three AMFA contracts at SWA, which each contain language restricting any reduction in force of our members while Southwest continues to outsource your work. The solidarity of our members, especially during these times, is our strength.

In Solidarity,

Your AMFA–SWA Airline Representatives

And here is a very recent update to that Oct 8th meeting reassuring where the members stand on concessions. Take note how it's the members who have expressed through AMFA representation their stand on concessions. Also take note on how AMFA does not just merely sign NDA's like the industrial unions always do and withhold info from the members. AMFA is and always will be very transparent, that is their way they represent the mechanic and related groups, and you guys can get this very same representation if you all so desire.
AMFA@AA2020!!!


AIRCRAFT MECHANICS FRATERNAL ASSOCIATION AMFA–SWA Airline Representatives Local 4: Dan Burgess•Local11: Craig Hamlet•Local18: Wayne Lampley • Local32: Ken Patrick
October 15, 2020
To All AMFA Members at Southwest Airlines:

Today, October 15, 2020, your Air Line Representatives (ALR) and legal counsel attended an electronic meeting with the Company. This meeting was requested by the Company to hear AMFA’s response to the concessionary proposal delivered by Southwest last week. That response from your ALR’s was clear, concise and delivered at the outset of today’s meeting. The Company was informed that we, based on overwhelming feedback from AMFA members, are not interested in the Company’s concessionary proposal. In addition, we advised the Company’s team we are not interested in proposals that would open any of our contracts on property for concessionary purposes. As discussed in our previous update, we reiterated our willingness to engage with the Company to consider cost saving measures that do not require concessions to our agreements. We again conveyed the need to bring outsourced maintenance in-house to keep our members employed and engaged. We will be working with AMFA’s economist in the coming days to formulate an information request to better allow us to understand the current state of Southwest’s outsourced maintenance footprint and associated costs. We hope the Company will respond promptly and in full to our information request as now is not the time to hide the ball. The Company may try to muddy the waters by pointing to our position during the first meeting that we would not sign nondisclosure agreements (NDA). That is like comparing apples to oranges. We remain unwilling to sign overly broad NDA’s that would limit our ability to communicate openly and remain transparent with you during these turbulent times. You deserve to know what is occurring. We will, however, consider a narrowly tailored NDA that would allow the AMFA economist to evaluate and analyze, among other things, outsourced maintenance costing data. It is worth repeating that, based on your consistent feedback, we will defend and enforce all three AMFA contracts, which each contain language restricting any reduction in force of our members while Southwest continues to outsource your work. We ask that you continue to remain informed and be wary of furlough fear tactics that will undoubtedly increase as we stand our ground against concessions in the face of the Company’s self-imposed deadline. The solidarity of our members in response to the Company’s recent actions has been incredible. We, as your ALR’s, are grateful for the overwhelming support. Our unity, especially during these times, is our strength.

In Solidarity, Your AMFA–SWA Airline Representatives

 

[swamt]

Swamt.....I know that AMFA doesn't raid other unions and that indeed it was AA mechanics that came to AMFA. I'm not privy to what Gary Peterson may or may not have agreed to AMFA or anyone else for that matter or if he's ever met with any other union to discuss a "hands off" policy. I find it difficult to believe that Gary, Samuelson, or anyone else at International didn't know of the current card drive.

Oh they knew about it. They all have mentioned it in past videos made by them and discussions about the very card drive going on right now. After all next month will be the one year mark. They knew very well this whole time and now they are getting nervous, pissed, and very, very angry as they feel the threat of losing their cush-cush job of getting 3 times their pay to do nothing.