AMFA or TEAMSTERS?

[AMFAinMIAMI]

If any sign of what has transpired here in Tulsa the last couple of amfa showings, we have nothing to worry about." Amfa at AA in 2013" is not going to happen.

From talking with a few Amfa supporters lately they are pretty discouraged about the lies and half truths their organizers are telling them.

The Teamsters have pretty well hit a road block and are having a hard time making any headway.

In Solidarity,
CIO

CIO

As a TWU supporter you say that guy's who have or are supporters of AMFA are discouraged by the lies that you say the AMFA Organizers are telling them, well, Get specific lies and tell us all here what has been told to these people
which is incorrect?

The AMFA organizers all work here at AA so if its about the TWU we have lived it. If it's about the IBT most of us have cut/pasted from IBT web pages or given direct links to the info. The TWU has as well done the same about the IBT.

Be specific when you say we are telling lies. Some one interpitation of the facts as it gets passed from one to another does at times get changed. But why would we have to lie about how the TWU has taken and taken from us to a point that we as A&P mechanics/Automechanics/Facilitiesmechanics at AA have just about had enough of the concessions and are wanting a change from the industrial way of thinking.

If what I have heard from the AMFA guys in Tulsa as well as whats being posted here about the IBT and the number of cards signed in Tulsa you as a TWU supporter are now the minority. Tulsa either wants AMFA or the IBT BUT NOT THE TWU.......

How much more are you going to let the TWU take from you until you wake up. Or is it just having a job that lets you live in Tulsa at the cost of living there mean more to you than your career and other A&P's to follow here at AA?

 

[CIO]

One thing the Teamsters and Amfa have in common is the lies they tell about the actual card numbers. Another lie that continues to surface is the promise of better representation. The history of both tell the actual truth.

Actually, I blame Amfa and Teamster wannabees along with the likes of the vote no coalition far more than the TWU or AA for suppressing our wages and benefits.

Stop and think about the constant hatred for life these individuals have? They are on the web and at work constantly bashing everything and everyone and it's never their fault!

One card drive or another has been in existence since long before you or I hired in at AA. One theme in common thru-out the years is the majority of the membership believes --- by not signing a card is the best choice for representation. Something you obvious fail to grasp!!!

The ken's, dave's and the likes of the bob's all have one thing in common. The minority should dictate.

In Solidarity,
CIO

 

[Tex-Mech]

Actually, I blame Amfa and Teamster wannabees along with the likes of the vote no coalition far more than the TWU or AA for suppressing our wages and benefits.

,
CIO

The "vote no coalition" was in fleet service for the contract that they got in October 2011, but don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

http://aviationblog....cond-vide.html/

Are you going to attack Sam Siri and his eboard (your spouse) for his vote no reccomendation in 2010?
http://twu514.org/fi...10-Issue-34.pdf

 

[swamt]

CIO is starting to get desperate and it's starting to show. Just wait and see how bad they get after AMFA files.

 

[Bob Owens]

CIO is starting to get desperate and it's starting to show. Just wait and see how bad they get after AMFA files.

I see in the Tulsa World AA is already claiming that they have 21100 in M&R.

That means if 100% of the 9861 that really are in M&R sign cards they still would not have half.

 

[Realityck]

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Posted Today, 10:54 AM

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One thing the Teamsters and Amfa have in common is the lies they tell about the actual card numbers. Another lie that continues to surface is the promise of better representation. The history of both tell the actual truth.

Actually, I blame Amfa and Teamster wannabees along with the likes of the vote no coalition far more than the TWU or AA for suppressing our wages and benefits.

Stop and think about the constant hatred for life these individuals have? They are on the web and at work constantly bashing everything and everyone and it's never their fault!

One card drive or another has been in existence since long before you or I hired in at AA. One theme in common thru-out the years is the majority of the membership believes --- by not signing a card is the best choice for representation. Something you obvious fail to grasp!!!

The ken's, dave's and the likes of the bob's all have one thing in common. The minority should dictate.

In Solidarity,

CIO


I agree with your comments.

The AMFA has been trying to raid the TWU at American for more than 40 years with no success. This excerpt from an Industry review of AMFA’s past history may explain the reason for that:

“AMFA’s 45-year record never really amounted to much until their recent short-lived successes. Only 439 members were onboard as recently as the mid-1990s when traditional airline unions proved unable to stop concessions”.

Thus, a tremendous growth spurt for AMFA began in 1999 when they gained 9500 members by decertifying the IAM at NWA. This was followed in 2003 by a gain of 12,000 members by decertifying the IAM at UAL. An AMFA victory at Southwest Airlines in 2003 gained another 1900 mechanics through decertification of the Teamsters.

In a very short span of time, AMFA represented more aircraft mechanics than anyone else.

But their own members have now declared the AMFA experiment, after less than a decade at the helm, a dismal failure. An AMFA offshoot, the Professional Flight Attendants Association (PFAA), was dumped in 2006 by 69% of 9000 flights attendants at NWA after only three years. AMFA itself was decimated at NWA in an ill-advised 2005 strike that left only 800 mechanics remaining today. And now it has been decertified at UAL, which was their largest unit”.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

One thing the Teamsters and Amfa have in common is the lies they tell about the actual card numbers. Another lie that continues to surface is the promise of better representation. The history of both tell the actual truth.

Actually, I blame Amfa and Teamster wannabees along with the likes of the vote no coalition far more than the TWU or AA for suppressing our wages and benefits.

Stop and think about the constant hatred for life these individuals have? They are on the web and at work constantly bashing everything and everyone and it's never their fault!

One card drive or another has been in existence since long before you or I hired in at AA. One theme in common thru-out the years is the majority of the membership believes --- by not signing a card is the best choice for representation. Something you obvious fail to grasp!!!

The ken's, dave's and the likes of the bob's all have one thing in common. The minority should dictate.

In Solidarity,
CIO

CIO

The last time that we the AMFA Organizers filed the cards for an election we missed only by 23 cards.
The inflated numbers by the TWU and AA to the NMB is the reason we are not AMFA today.

Since you quote the long History of card drives here at AA, could it be that the AMT's just simply had enough of the give backs and concessions that the TWU and AA have given us?

You quote lies by the AMFA guys like I have asked tell us just what the AMFA organizers at your station have lied about?

The IBT and the lies that they have told have been disputed by the TWU/IAM/AMFA both here at AA and UAL/CAL.
So if you believe so much in the TWU then the IBT should get a big thumbs down from you and ALL of your fellow workers.

AA filed bk with billions in the bank, now buying more aircraft than ever before in the industry, Painting all the other a/c. Look at all the stuff the Pilots/F/A/TWU has exposed that AA was hiding $$$$ from its employees.
In the meen time giving its execs large bonus and stock.

You complain that the Vote NO guys and the AMFA guys think that the Minority should dictate, ISN'T that what we have NOW with the Bobby G. - Don V. - G Drumman - J Littles.

WE don't have a say with the TWU and will not with the IBT, But you can VOTE OUT the leaders at AMFA when they don't look out for the interest of the members. AMFA just had an election and voted out a couple of the National officers. Look for your self at the AMFA web site.

Go to the SWA forum and ask SWAMT or WNTECH just how being represented by AMFA is with comparison to the IBT. If you know any one at A/T whom is now working under AMFA at SWA, get a quote from them as well.

MY reason for supporting AMFA is, 1. ability to be seperate from ramp/stores. 2. attend negotiations. 3. Vote out National officers that don't do the job we the members feel they should be doing.
The rest of what goes on is determined by the membership and how much of a union guy they want to be.

AMFA at AA in 2013​

 

[Tex-Mech]

#62
CIO
Posted Today, 10:54 AM

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One thing the Teamsters and Amfa have in common is the lies they tell about the actual card numbers. Another lie that continues to surface is the promise of better representation. The history of both tell the actual truth.

Actually, I blame Amfa and Teamster wannabees along with the likes of the vote no coalition far more than the TWU or AA for suppressing our wages and benefits.

Stop and think about the constant hatred for life these individuals have? They are on the web and at work constantly bashing everything and everyone and it's never their fault!

One card drive or another has been in existence since long before you or I hired in at AA. One theme in common thru-out the years is the majority of the membership believes --- by not signing a card is the best choice for representation. Something you obvious fail to grasp!!!

The ken's, dave's and the likes of the bob's all have one thing in common. The minority should dictate.

In Solidarity,

CIO


I agree with your comments.

The AMFA has been trying to raid the TWU at American for more than 40 years with no success. This excerpt from an Industry review of AMFA’s past history may explain the reason for that:

“AMFA’s 45-year record never really amounted to much until their recent short-lived successes. Only 439 members were onboard as recently as the mid-1990s when traditional airline unions proved unable to stop concessions”.

Thus, a tremendous growth spurt for AMFA began in 1999 when they gained 9500 members by decertifying the IAM at NWA. This was followed in 2003 by a gain of 12,000 members by decertifying the IAM at UAL. An AMFA victory at Southwest Airlines in 2003 gained another 1900 mechanics through decertification of the Teamsters.

In a very short span of time, AMFA represented more aircraft mechanics than anyone else.

But their own members have now declared the AMFA experiment, after less than a decade at the helm, a dismal failure. An AMFA offshoot, the Professional Flight Attendants Association (PFAA), was dumped in 2006 by 69% of 9000 flights attendants at NWA after only three years. AMFA itself was decimated at NWA in an ill-advised 2005 strike that left only 800 mechanics remaining today. And now it has been decertified at UAL, which was their largest unit”.

Are you advocating going non-union? Because we are all fully aware of how current representation sucks, and you say that the Teamster suck and AMFA has not many members. It is well known that the IAM sucks, so where does that leave us. I still want a union.

 

[Bob Owens]

An AMFA offshoot, the Professional Flight Attendants Association (PFAA), was dumped in 2006 by 69% of 9000 flights attendants at NWA after only three years.

My understanding of the NWA Flight Attendants were they were IBT and wanted to go to a flight attendants union. At the time the IBT was AFL-CIO affiliated and the AFA did not want them, the APFA did not want them either, so they formed their own union to get out of the IBT. Three years later they went AFA, they never went back to the IBT, the got where they wanted to be in the first place. The AA fight attendants went through a similar oddesy but so far have decided to stay with their independant Flight Attendants union-they left the TWU and never went back.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Isn't this what the TWU did to the line stations here at AA?

If you Don't want the same ole stuff from a different Jimmy, then DON"T sign those Teamsters cards.
Find a AMFA organizer at your station, sign a AMFA card, and have others read the info on this web site so that they as well can see that the Teamsters are NOT what we here at AA want. We are tired of the dictatorship from above.
The TWU finds or creates the same loop holes in deals/agreements/contract to insure we get what they want us to have. lay off rules, station protection, system protection, fences for bumping.
Members Denied Vote on Local 82 Merger





January 5, 2012: Hoffa has denied Boston Teamsters their Right to Vote and forcibly merged them into Local 25.
Boston Local 82, a proud union of Teamsters in the Trade Show and Commercial Moving & Storage industries, is no more. Hoffa has forcibly merged the union into Boston Local 25, the home local of new International Vice President Sean O’Brien. Local 82 members were given no vote and no say in the matter.

The Teamster Constitution guarantees members the right to vote on the merger of their local union. TDU fought for and won this right. But Hoffa inserted a loophole into the language that allows the International Union to deny members their Right to Vote if the local is “incapable of performing its representational functions due to its financial condition or where an emergency situation exists.”

Hoffa ignored the true “emergency situation” in Local 82 for many years. Corruption was rampant in the local under the leadership of John Perry, a Hoffa appointee as the IBT’s Trade Show Director.
Local 82 members braved goons, threats and even violent assault to blow the lid on embezzlement, sweetheart contracts, rigged contract votes, and elaborate schemes to steer jobs to friends and political allies of local officers and their enforcers.

Members documented and reported these violations to Hoffa but he refused to take any action. Finally, the Independent Review Board forced Hoffa’s hand and he put Local 82 into trusteeship.
Local 82 members cleaned up their local and earned the right to determine their own future, not to have their local union taken away from them.

Many of the AA twu Line locals are being forced into one, Local 591, many twu officers at each line station will loose positions they were voted into by their memebers. The AMT's will loose voting power by this as well.
This is just another reason we want the TWU gone so we can get prepared when it comes time to renegotiate with AA.

Sign an AMFA card and lets rid AA of the TWU​

 

[Anomaly]

CIO,

I have never claimed for the Teamsters to be without fault or anywhere near perfect. However, in the relatively short time they have represented us at UA, we have seen advances that have been worthwhile. We are once again one of the leaders in pay and benefits, and are seeing much more respect from management. Joining the Teamsters was a good idea for us at United.

 

[swamt]

My understanding of the NWA Flight Attendants were they were IBT and wanted to go to a flight attendants union. At the time the IBT was AFL-CIO affiliated and the AFA did not want them, the APFA did not want them either, so they formed their own union to get out of the IBT. Three years later they went AFA, they never went back to the IBT, the got where they wanted to be in the first place. The AA fight attendants went through a similar oddesy but so far have decided to stay with their independant Flight Attendants union-they left the TWU and never went back.

Best thing the AA F/A's ever done. Wish our F/A's would do the same here at SWA.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

CIO,

I have never claimed for the Teamsters to be without fault or anywhere near perfect. However, in the relatively short time they have represented us at UA, we have seen advances that have been worthwhile. We are once again one of the leaders in pay and benefits, and are seeing much more respect from management. Joining the Teamsters was a good idea for us at United.

Anomoly

We will see just how good the Teamsters are when you finally figure out to intergrate of both CAL and UAL.
We will also see which group you will screw since the CAL guys have a pension at this time and the UAL guys don't.

The continental guys took it in the shorts long ago with the IAM, more than once. They have turned themselves around a bit. Now UAL has lots of guys who have lost a lot as well, they are more of a defeated group. They change unions as you know easily so screw them and you and the TEAMSTERS will be GONE.

The contract and intergration will determine how well of a job the Teamsters do/did for all groups represented at the now United Airlines. Time is going to tell and if you screw either group you know that there will be a move to remove you if you fail in any manner. You have talked so much trash about the TWU and AMFA your going to have to really shine there.

If you don't settle there before the merger of AA and USAir you won't make it into either, and your drives will be dues money lost. You have claimed to be the Almighty Teamsters with all this money and 1.4 million members, best in the airline industry. You are going to eat LOTS of crow when you fail.

The Industry is WATCHING....​

AMFA at AA in 2013​

 

[swamt]

CIO,

I have never claimed for the Teamsters to be without fault or anywhere near perfect. However, in the relatively short time they have represented us at UA, we have seen advances that have been worthwhile. We are once again one of the leaders in pay and benefits, and are seeing much more respect from management. Joining the Teamsters was a good idea for us at United.

Really?? Enlighten us all on the "advances" you speak of that have been worth while. The BS part about you guys are now seeing much more respect from management. C'mon, sounds to me like the company and union are getting comfy together (in a rather short period of time as you state) just like they do over at AA with the TWU (company union) and management agreeing to everything. BTW you are the only one posting that you have seen "advances" over at United. Since you and CIO are buddies answer this Anomaly as both you and CIO have been refusing to answer:
CAN ANY OF THE MEMBERS REMOVE AN OFFICER WITHIN THE TEAMSTERS LOCAL
OR INTERNATIONAL LEVEL??? Key word in the question is "MEMBERS"...

 

[TRAVIS]

I know iam not the sharpest tool in the tool box but do I see a pattern here.
2005 AWA-US / merger: AWA IBT contract Amendable and in negotiations for over 2 ½ years and Stalled till merger with US Airways, IAM takes over.
2005 IAM takes over and at contract Amendment in 2008 gives company 3 years Transition Agreement. (Was this the back door agreement for pre merger information to keep IAM on property because Parker will go and make deals with other unions as we have seen)? Small bump -3% - 3% - 3%.........
2013 US Airways-AA / merger: IAM contract Amendable and in negotiations for over 4 years and Stalled till who knows when. (Is this the back door deal the company made with the TWU when they meet with Parker to keep TWU on property?) 4.6% - 0% - 0% - 0%.......
This makes the hair on the back of my head tingle….
I'am still tiring to get over the BK 10% pay cut in 1991 at AWA and when they gave the 10% pay cut back it was on the lower wage.
I call this Arizona Math: $10.00 min 10% = $9.00 and $9.00 plus 10% = $9.90. Got short changed on that one...

Just a little inside INFO for my AA brothers…. Keep an EYE on them. h34r:

Parker and the boys are the real deal at LCC…. They wrote the book.