AMFA or TEAMSTERS?
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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Read the TWU Constitution. http://www.twu.org/Portals/0/PDFs/constitution_2009.pdf
In Solidarity,
CIO
I believe, as I stated before, read each constitution, become informed and you will see, procedures are established to elect and remove Union/Association members or Officers. Appointed members can be be removed under each constitution.
In Solidarity,
CIO
to much time to quit
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Can you explain what you are saying? 35% of IAM members would have to fill out cards to force an election? This makes no sense.???
Anomaly: In other words; anyone who disagrees or has an opposite point of view, is either lying or wrong according to swamt.-----I only correct the liars and mis-truths that folks like you spread about AMFA or Southwest Airlines.
Anomaly: I have very rarely agreed with the rants of swamt. Likewise, I disagree with his his statement that amfa can negotiate successful contracts.-----Correction, NWA, SWA, AS and the contract improvements at UAL while in BK (this is after the fact that the IAM nego all the concessions).
Anomaly: 3 teamster lawyers, two in house and one hired firm, have contradicted this claim by swamt. But what the hell do they know about law? They are only legal experts, not mechanics.------As previously stated, it's not just mechanics and you know this already-keep trying to spin.
Anomaly: We vote our leaders in at the IBT just like they do at amfa. From Hoffa on down, every member on the executive board is electable. But when the inexperienced are voted in based on popularity, language and members sometimes suffer.------Just like CIO you avoid the entire question, BY A PROCCESS, CAN THE MEMBERSHIP RECALL OR REMOVE ANYONE FROM A UNION POSITION???
Anomaly: At their own expense and time. amfa agreements are negotiated SOLELY by elected leaders. Just look at the last amfa update as proof. Each one of these negotiators are executive committee members.---- Yes. We have the same nego's as you list for the teamsters except we have mechanics nego for mechanics.
Anomaly: Because MOST amfa reps including those on Local Executive Boards are direct employees of the airline they represent and are bound by all the rules governing these airline employees. How do you truly challenge your employer if you are still an employee?---- Are you serious? C'mon man, think about your question here. These fine employees sure did stand up to the company for the 4th line, now didn't they??
Anomaly: The truth in these last lines is questionable. Certainly, however, you will not become a part of any union merely by a merger with AA. Unless of course you are both represented by the same union, you most likely will be part of another election.---- Keep questioning it after AMFA takes over. AirTran became part of AMFA after merger with SWA, there doesn't neccessarily have to be a vote as we did not have one.
Keep posting, you and others are doing a great job for the card drives currently going on. Keep up the good work...
Anomaly: I have very rarely agreed with the rants of swamt. Likewise, I disagree with his his statement that amfa can negotiate successful contracts.-----Correction, NWA, SWA, AS and the contract improvements at UAL while in BK (this is after the fact that the IAM nego all the concessions).
Anomaly: 3 teamster lawyers, two in house and one hired firm, have contradicted this claim by swamt. But what the hell do they know about law? They are only legal experts, not mechanics.------As previously stated, it's not just mechanics and you know this already-keep trying to spin.
Anomaly: We vote our leaders in at the IBT just like they do at amfa. From Hoffa on down, every member on the executive board is electable. But when the inexperienced are voted in based on popularity, language and members sometimes suffer.------Just like CIO you avoid the entire question, BY A PROCCESS, CAN THE MEMBERSHIP RECALL OR REMOVE ANYONE FROM A UNION POSITION???
Anomaly: At their own expense and time. amfa agreements are negotiated SOLELY by elected leaders. Just look at the last amfa update as proof. Each one of these negotiators are executive committee members.---- Yes. We have the same nego's as you list for the teamsters except we have mechanics nego for mechanics.
Anomaly: Because MOST amfa reps including those on Local Executive Boards are direct employees of the airline they represent and are bound by all the rules governing these airline employees. How do you truly challenge your employer if you are still an employee?---- Are you serious? C'mon man, think about your question here. These fine employees sure did stand up to the company for the 4th line, now didn't they??
Anomaly: The truth in these last lines is questionable. Certainly, however, you will not become a part of any union merely by a merger with AA. Unless of course you are both represented by the same union, you most likely will be part of another election.---- Keep questioning it after AMFA takes over. AirTran became part of AMFA after merger with SWA, there doesn't neccessarily have to be a vote as we did not have one.
Keep posting, you and others are doing a great job for the card drives currently going on. Keep up the good work...
Not sure if this guy is not aware of the new election laws.
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I am fully aware of the election rules that the NMB goes by. That stands for National Mediation Board if you didn't know. If your already an IAM member you don't need to fill out a card. And the percentage is 50% to force an election. It sounds like you are the one not aware.
You misread my post. I was indicating that Proamt was not aware of the laws. He was the one stating 35%, and yes I already know it's 50% plus one to cause the election proccess after a merger of 2 different unions. I was not directing my post to you, but in fact was agreeing with your questioning for further explanation of his post. I didn't think he was aware of the new laws (percentage wise) that went from 35% to 50% plus one for new representational elections.
I just reread and see where you thought I was addressing you. I should have said "that" in place of "this", sorry bout that, my typo mistake.
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Oh, I see, I also misread. ProAMT is confusing both of us!
In the last merger I know of the Teamsters, representing AirTran, would have had to have 35% of the AirTran Mechanic and Related class and craft fill out cards. They failed to do this and when the work groups were merged (SWA and AirTran) AMFA became the representative to all in the class and craft. A new law requiring 50% I don't know about this.
There were 350 Airtran mechanics and about 1800 swa mechanics.
If the Ibt got only 123 (35%) cards from the Airtran guys, how could that force an election out or a total of about 2150?
