AMFA or TEAMSTERS?

[TRAVIS]

(This is the first Section 6 negotiations since chapter 11 and the abrogation.) You had your chance and TA's on this pos. Now its time to Kick your company loving, chump wage getting union to the curb. 2005 - 2013 has been a waste of time. Just in case your math skill's need help that's almost 8 YEARS on the bottom of the industry wage. We AMT's can't take the chance on the IAM any more and as it is i would take Mickey Mouse and the Gang and he may be IBT at Disney Land. :angry2: and 700 don't even come back with that we got you S#IT or you will make me post you math lesson one more time.

 

[700UW]

HA was in chapter 11.

The IAM won the arbitration against AS.

The IAM kept TW in business way longer than it would have lasted, see Bill O'Driscoll was a friend of mine, educated on what really happened at TW.

2339N was taken over the the International because of what a few local officers did.

Keep lying joshie and keep spreading misinformation and keep changing the subject.

And once again your wrong on who took concessions first, it wasnt US and it wasnt the IAM, even at US when concessions were forced because of chapter 11, it was ALPA who agreed before US filed, not the IAM.

http://dollarsandsense.org/archives/2002/0502ward.html

http://socialistworker.org/2002-2/428/428_11_Airlines.shtml



Keep making a fool of yourself with your misinformation.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob,

As you know the IAM is in mediation with the NMB, they schedule the meetings, not the company nor the union, the company and the union actually added an extra week of negotiations.

How were we the first to roll over?

US filed chapter 11 in 2002, we voted down the first round of concessions.

I love how you try to spin things, the law mandates you negotiate or face abrogation, we had an abrogation in chapter 11 part II.

You and your union took concessions and you werent even in bankruptcy in 2003, now were you?

Actually it was in 2005 when our CBA was abrogated and in 2008 in the JCBA we got money, vacation, sick, holiday and work back, can you say the same?

And I campaigned for the "NO" vote and I walked the picket line in 92 when we were on strike, can you say the same?

This is the first Section 6 negotiations since chapter 11 and the abrogation.

Bottom line, Eleven years of concessions, over two years of no progress in negotiations, the company is ignoring the IAM and the IAM has not asked for a release.


No doubt about it, the IAM is doing a lousy job, all we have to do is look at your pay rates for the last 11 years, the TWU is doing even worse, at least USAIR was really broke when you gave concessions, there was a real chance of liquidation, we are only coming up on ten years. So if the IAM is only slightly better than the TWU then why would the IAM be the union that the mechanics would choose? If you try and pull the same deal that the IBT and CWA pulled you can be sure that both Unions will be gone within a year. What argument do you put out against the IBT thats raiding? "We aren't as bad as the TWU"? The IBT is over at AA acting like they are raiding AMFA and you are acting like the TWU is raiding the IAM.

Nobody even knows what the IAM is even asking for.Two years into negotiations and they still haven't told the members what they are asking for? Did they tell the company?

 

[737823]

Bottom line, Eleven years of concessions, over two years of no progress in negotiations, the company is ignoring the IAM and the IAM has not asked for a release.


No doubt about it, the IAM is doing a lousy job, all we have to do is look at your pay rates for the last 11 years, the TWU is doing even worse, at least USAIR was really broke when you gave concessions, there was a real chance of liquidation, we are only coming up on ten years. So if the IAM is only slightly better than the TWU then why would the IAM be the union that the mechanics would choose? If you try and pull the same deal that the IBT and CWA pulled you can be sure that both Unions will be gone within a year. What argument do you put out against the IBT thats raiding? "We aren't as bad as the TWU"? The IBT is over at AA acting like they are raiding AMFA and you are acting like the TWU is raiding the IAM.

Nobody even knows what the IAM is even asking for.Two years into negotiations and they still haven't told the members what they are asking for? Did they tell the company?

I imagine the merger will produce more concessionistas conditioned by the IAM to accept substandard agreements-even when the IAM is ultimately decertified by the USAIR membership.

Josh

 

[700UW]

If you read the negotiation updates, progress has been made except on economic issues.

You do realize this is the first Section 6 negotiations, even with the two chapter 11, a US AMT makes more than an AA mechanic and has better benefits, holidays and scope language.

Funny you keep bashing the IAM but yet you as a TWU president and NC member have done far worse for your fellow mechanics than the IAM has done at US.

http://www.iamdl142.org/USA/default.htm

 

[737823]

If you read the negotiation updates, progress has been made except on economic issues.

You do realize this is the first Section 6 negotiations, even with the two chapter 11, a US AMT makes more than an AA mechanic and has better benefits, holidays and scope language.

Funny you keep bashing the IAM but yet you as a TWU president and NC member have done far worse for your fellow mechanics than the IAM has done at US.

http://www.iamdl142....USA/default.htm

TWU sure has given its share of concessions and damage to the AMT craft but at least Bob takes a clear position and isn't afraid to speak out regarding the backdoor deals and sleazy representation from the ATD and TWU International. You on the otherhand have been separated from USAIR since 2005, and come on here defending the IAM and rationalizing the substandard and highly concessionary agreements. Bob and the other local presidents often disagree with the international and they make that clear. Bob is one member of the negotiating committee, how can you say whatever agreement they reach is entirely a result of his actions and participation? You always rationalize the IAM agreements with "we were in bankruptcy faced S1113 and abrogation, we had to negotiate concessions".

Josh

 

[700UW]

And you who dont have a dog in this fight seems to chime in and bash the IAM and bash US Airways.

So I guess that does make you a hypocrite.

And since you arent an airline employee and have never been one you still dont understand the bankruptcy law and section 1113.

 

[737823]

You don't need to be an airline employee to understand bankruptcy law or section 1113, plenty of people that don't have work experience with the airlines understand those matters quite well.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Well its quite apparent you dont understand nor have you lived it.

 

[737823]

Yeah I haven't lived through a 40% paycut fortunately I've gotten pay raises and promotions throughout my career. Also haven't taken jobs with pay that substantially lag other industries to get $5k-$10k/year (tops) in token standby travel privileges, I'm able to purchase a ticket when I want or use miles I have accrued on various carriers, with much of the travel originally paid by clients or my employer.

Josh

 

[700UW]

And no one at US has taken a 40% paycut, making up more lies joshie?

And yet numerous posters have asked you numerous times, who do you work for and did your company take TARP funds, and yet you fail to answer every single time.


http://www.turnaround.org/cmaextras/Paper--Section1113.pdf

 

[737823]

People can ask whatever questions they want; it is my choice which ones get answered or ignored. It's none of your business, this is an airline forum not to discuss my professional career. Ok?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Hiding something joshie?

See you can attack and lie about the IAM, US Airways and other posters, yet you hide behind a keyboard.

 

[robbedagain]

while i cannot speak for the mechanics and related... but i do think that may be this might be for them as well as fsa...given the fact that DP made those back room door deals with AA unions... and the fact they announced this merger i think that its fair to say the union should have an upper hand in the negogiations now....

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

And you who dont have a dog in this fight seems to chime in and bash the IAM and bash US Airways.

So I guess that does make you a hypocrite.

And since you arent an airline employee and have never been one you still dont understand the bankruptcy law and section 1113.

700uw

Are you the almighty stock clerk X IAM still here on aa site putting your 2 cents in something you don't have a fight in as well. This is for the Mechanics at AA and the USAir mechanics. The IBT is attacking both the IAM and the TWU looking for cards to force a vote. You don't get the reason we want the industrial unions gone since You don't have an A&P lic.

Your IAM rants have no biz here, so why don't you take your IAM lovin self over to the USAir web site and help them keep the IBT out. What are you doing to defend your IAM pals at USAir?

YOU'RE a STOCK CLERK BY TRADE, You have NOTHING TO DO with Aircraft Maintenance or AA. Get a job at PEP BOYS.