Is that the latest revision?
AMFA or TEAMSTERS?
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Is that the latest revision?
I read it to mean if a union reps only 1 side, they need 35% of the total of both groups to get an election.
If an outside union reps neither side they need 35% of the total of both groups.
But an outside intervening union would need 50%+1 if both the merging groups were represented by the same union.
to much time to quit
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I believe this info is out of date. The latest ruling is 50% for all unions whether they are already on the property or not.
Guys, I know this has nothing to do with AA, however, it does have a relation to the representation of the teamsters. Frontier is announcing ALL employees to be layed-off except for Denver. Does anyone know if they are still represented by the teamsters? Or were they removed from there as well? Here's the article:
http://www.indystar....-about-700-jobs
http://www.indystar....-about-700-jobs
Ken MacTiernan
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Ken MacTiernan
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Bob/don/nick,
Voting by delegates is not true democracy. This is not the early 1800s where the population was not very educated. Your continued support of the twu version of democracy shows your lack of a spine to have your voice heard. Your posts are growing ever more fearful of the day your gravy train ceases.
Go AMFA!
Just Another BK
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From what I hear now the TWU and the IAM need only carry 35% and the AMFA, IBT raid drives would need 50+1%. Found some interesting article on Seniority Integration. http://www.mondaq.co...illBond Statute
From what I am reading if the IBT, or any other single Union were to gain control before Merger at both airlines the Internal Seniority Policies of that Union would be in full affect.
The article contains this:
By incorporating Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs, McCaskill-Bond establishes that it is the duty of the surviving or combined carrier to provide the fair and equitable seniority list integration process. The carrier can satisfy this duty by accepting a voluntarily negotiated or arbitrated list from the employee group parties. To the extent that the employee group parties do not voluntarily present such a list to the carrier, however, it is the carrier's duty to engage in arbitration with those groups as provided for in Section 13. If the covered transaction involves employee groups represented by the same union, the statute provides that the union's internal merger policies apply exclusively, with no carrier involvement, except as to whether it will accept and implement the result of the integration process (i.e., the combined seniority list). Likewise, any additional LPP or other merger-related requirements in a CBA that are consistent with the "protections afforded by" Sections 3 and 13 are not directly affected by the statute.
and this:
Seniority integration agreements do not require ratification, but the integrated seniority list is generally part of a combined CBA, which does.
DON'T RUSH TO CHANGE REPRESENTATION BEFORE THE FACTS ARE ALL CONSIDERED !!!!
From what I am reading if the IBT, or any other single Union were to gain control before Merger at both airlines the Internal Seniority Policies of that Union would be in full affect.
The article contains this:
By incorporating Sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs, McCaskill-Bond establishes that it is the duty of the surviving or combined carrier to provide the fair and equitable seniority list integration process. The carrier can satisfy this duty by accepting a voluntarily negotiated or arbitrated list from the employee group parties. To the extent that the employee group parties do not voluntarily present such a list to the carrier, however, it is the carrier's duty to engage in arbitration with those groups as provided for in Section 13. If the covered transaction involves employee groups represented by the same union, the statute provides that the union's internal merger policies apply exclusively, with no carrier involvement, except as to whether it will accept and implement the result of the integration process (i.e., the combined seniority list). Likewise, any additional LPP or other merger-related requirements in a CBA that are consistent with the "protections afforded by" Sections 3 and 13 are not directly affected by the statute.
and this:
Seniority integration agreements do not require ratification, but the integrated seniority list is generally part of a combined CBA, which does.
DON'T RUSH TO CHANGE REPRESENTATION BEFORE THE FACTS ARE ALL CONSIDERED !!!!
As I understand it, the IAM would need 35% of the total of both groups to force an election or both groups would become TWU after a finding of single carrier status.
Just like AMFA did here at SWA after our merger.
We came to a transition agreement and seniority before single carrier status was determined then the Airtran guys joined AMFA.
If both groups were the same like cal/ual (Ibt), then yes their internal policy would determine their combined seniority list.
But look at UAL now, the IBT has still not come out with a combined list and cal is still hiring off the street while UAL has guys on furlough.
Just Another BK
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The IBT has been pushing cards here and there. If they were to get a run off prior to Merger their Internal Policies could rule the combined as well.
I find it hard to believe that the IBT could get enough cards to get an election at both airlines.
And even harder to believe they could win both.
Correct. Agree. It would be nearly as imposible as the teamsters getting enough cards at SWA. But to have enough cards @ both carriers, by the teamsters, what a joke, LOL. Now that is funny...
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Before You sign a Teamster card remember all that the AMFA organizer have told you about the IBT.
Well at the above link even the TWU's Little say the very same things.
Read what the TWU says about what the Teamsters have done, in our industry.
Since we all for the most part want the TWU Gone, and the IBT has been telling us along with the United/Continental guys lies.
We here at AA are close to the number of cards required by the NMB to file for our representation election.
It's ONLY going to happen with all of you signing or reseigning cards for a AMFA election.
Before You sign a Teamster card remember all that the AMFA organizer have told you about the IBT.
Well at the above link even the TWU's Little say the very same things.
Read what the TWU says about what the Teamsters have done, in our industry.
Since we all for the most part want the TWU Gone, and the IBT has been telling us along with the United/Continental guys lies.
We here at AA are close to the number of cards required by the NMB to file for our representation election.
It's ONLY going to happen with all of you signing or reseigning cards for a AMFA election.
AMFA at AA in 2013
If any sign of what has transpired here in Tulsa the last couple of amfa showings, we have nothing to worry about." Amfa at AA in 2013" is not going to happen.
From talking with a few Amfa supporters lately they are pretty discouraged about the lies and half truths their organizers are telling them.
The Teamsters have pretty well hit a road block and are having a hard time making any headway.
In Solidarity,
CIO
From talking with a few Amfa supporters lately they are pretty discouraged about the lies and half truths their organizers are telling them.
The Teamsters have pretty well hit a road block and are having a hard time making any headway.
In Solidarity,
CIO
